Rebecca Tushnet

when you buy a business whose mark is the owner’s photo, make sure you get all the rights

Posted on February 15, 2020 by rtushnet

Minott v. Wichita Water Conditioning, Inc., No.
18-cv-01656-MSK-SKC, 2020 WL 616359 (D. Colo. Feb. 7, 2020)

Minott used to own Fluid, which operated a water
conditioning business under the trade name Chuck, The Water Man. Fluid made
extensive use of a photograph of Minott’s face as “a sort of logo,” displaying
it prominently in its promotional materials, on billboards, on the side of
trucks, on customer-facing equipment, and so on. In 2016 defendant WWC bought
Fluid, including “all of [Fluid’s] right, title and interest in and to the assets
owned by [Fluid] and used in connection with [the Chuck business]” and
specifically including all “trade names (including ‘Chuck, the Water Man’)
[and] trademarks” held by Fluid.

Minott alleged that during negotiations over the Asset
Purchase Agreement, he explained to WWC that Fluid held only a license to use
the photo of his face, not ownership of that likeness, and that therefore, “use
of my personal likeness was not included in Fluid’s” assets. He offered a
one-year license for a separate payment of $100,000, which WWC allegedly
rejected. “Notwithstanding that discussion, the Asset Purchase Agreement
contained no language excluding Mr. Minott’s likeness – to the extent it was
used as a trademark – from the terms of the sale.”

WWC eventually merged Chuck with its Culligan brand (e.g.
referring to the business as “Chuck’s Culligan” or “Chuck the Culligan Man”). In
2017, WWC prepared a promotional image that used the photo of. Minott’s face,
edited onto the body of another model (who wore a Culligan-branded shirt),
alongside the statement “Chuck The Water Man is now Chuck The CULLIGAN Man.”
WWC sent a version of the image to Minott and “invited comment,” and Minott responded,
“unless [you’re] hiring me as a professional model (very expensive) NO…Our
discussion was a verbal chat. We discussed that you could use that one picture
of my face as the logo for one year from acquisition date…You dismissed those
discussions without conclusion…I do appreciate you asking and I like the fact
that you see value in my name & face being attached to the company, but
NO.”

Nonetheless, and perhaps as a result of a slip-up, WWC sent
out a series of mailers to its customers, using the photo of Mr. Minott’s face
(and the model’s body). In response to Minott’s complaint, WWC responded that
it had instructed its marketing vendor to “change all future mailers to not use
your picture,” but also advised that “there may be some [existing mailers] in
the system to be mailed but it has been changed.” The relevant employee also
e-mailed WWC’s marketing vendor to determine how many mailers featuring Minott
had already been printed; since the December mailers had been printed, he
instructed the vendor to “leave it.”

Minott sued for misappropriation of likeness under Colorado
common law, false endorsement under the Lanham Act, and deceptive advertising
under in violation of the Colorado Consumer Protection Act.

WWC argued, among other things, that (1) the photo was a
trademark that was transferred, (2) the mailers lacked an effect on interstate
commerce so there was no Lanham Act claim, (3) because of the noncompete Minott
signed, he couldn’t experience cognizable harm from the mailers, and (4) there
was no evidence of deceptiveness.

Misappropriation: consent is an affirmative defense; WWC has
the burden of proof. Here, this requires proof that: (i) Minott, by words or
conduct, led WWC reasonably to believe that he had authorized WWC to make use
of his photograph as a trademark; and (ii) WWC acted in a manner and for a
purpose to which Minott agreed. It’s true that Fluid established a use of
Minott’s photograph as a trademark, but that didn’t “overcome all other
intellectual property rights that might attach” to the photo. [I think it’s pretty sharp dealing, at best,
on these facts where he’s also the owner of the company doing the transfer of
rights. But:] Minott testified that Fluid never owned the image and was only a
licensee, and the record didn’t disclose the terms of the license. “WWC
acquired nothing more than Fluid had. WWC did not acquire rights to the
photograph itself, nor the right to depict Mr. Minott’s likeness.” If anyone wants to use a photo as a mark, they
have to be sure that neither copyright nor the right of publicity preclude such
use. There was at least a disputed issue of fact on whether there was a terminable-at-will
license (apparently both for the copyright and for the right of publicity) that
was terminated on transfer of Fluid. There was also at least a disputed issue
whether Minott specifically told WWC at the time of the purchase that Fluid
didn’t own rights to his likeness. Likewise, WWC failed to establish that its
use was consistent with the scope of any consent that WWC reasonably believed
Minott had given, given the parties’ emails.

JA Apparel Corp. v. Abboud, 682 F. Supp. 2d 294 (S.D.N.Y.
2010), was not to the contrary. There, Abboud was a party to the sale of his clothing
business and its trademarks; here, Minott was not a party to the Fluid-WWC
transaction.

False endorsement under the Lanham Act: The rare lack of use in interstate commerce! It
was undisputed that Chuck’s only provided service in Colorado. Minott didn’t
claim to have trademark rights extending outside of Colorado, so there was no
effect on interstate commerce that way. Though WWC itself operated interestate,
“the record is so scant as to how WWC’s mailers here may have advanced WWC’s
business interests outside of Colorado as to preclude a finding of an effect on
interstate commerce simply because WWC has interstate operations.”

In terms of interstate effects, Minott argued only that, of
the roughly 3,600 relevant mailers WWC sent out, 9 went to addresses in
Wyoming, South Dakota, or New Jersey. That wasn’t a “substantial” effect on
interstate commerce. The recipients were “current customers” according to its
billing software, and, given the geographic limits of service provision, the record
suggests that out-of-state addresses were unintentional, erroneous, or forwarding
addresses for final bills. “Given the minimal number of advertisements
involved, and the clear indication that any stray mailings leaving Colorado
were inadvertent oversights, the Court concludes that Mr. Minott has not come
forward with evidence indicating that any false endorsements perpetrated by WWC
occurred in interstate commerce.”

CCPA deceptive advertising: even assuming deception in the
course of WWC’s business with an impact on the public, as required by state
law, Minott failed to show the requisite injury. He was neither a deceived
consumer nor a current competitor.

It was speculative to allege only a belief that his
reputation has been harmed and that this harm may manifest when the noncompete
expires in mid-2021, at which point he intends to return to Colorado and start
another water conditioning business. He cited Yelp reviews, but even putting
aside “substantial hearsay concerns as to whether such reviews are admissible
as proof of the reviewer’s perception” of Minott, several of those made clear
they were aware of and distinguished between the Minott iteration and WWC’s
version, while other bad reviews related to the period Minott himself ran the
business. Thus, the Yelp reviews could not show harm to his reputation resulting
from WWC suggesting his affiliation with or endorsement of WWC.

Among other things, there was no evidence that the mailers caused
harm to his reputation; there was no evidence that disgruntled WWC customers
contacted him, or that surveys showed lost respect for “Chuck, the Water Man.”
And his future plans merely highlighted the lack of present injury. Further, he
testified that he didn’t intend to solicit past customers, which meant his
prior reputation would be irrelevant.

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DMCA at 22: my notes from the Senate hearing

Posted on February 14, 2020 by rtushnet

Senate Judiciary Committee, Intellectual Property
Subcommittee, The
Digital Millennium Copyright Act at 22: What is it, why was it enacted, and
where are we now (archived video; apparently you have to wait 13 minutes
before the hearing actually starts, though)

Sen. Tillis: DMCA was passed when Chumbawumba and Myspace
were popular. Time to hear about modernization. Protection was given to new
platforms in exchange for quick removal. Almost everything has changed in 22
years. Goal: introduce reform bill w/bicameral, bipartisan consensus. Top
priority for him. Today: background and level-setitng.

Panel I

The Honorable Edward J. Damich, Senior Judge, United States
Court of Federal Claims

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Damich was chief IP counsel for Senate Judiciary at the
time; not providing views of judiciary but recollections as staffer. Internet
just coming into its own: 36 million web users in 1996. Highlights: (1) ISP liability
for users’ infringement, (2) TPMs were key issues. Sen. Hatch didn’t want to
disturb common law of secondary infringement; wanted to focus on practical reality
of internet at the time: email, system caching. Hosting required more care: notice
& takedown or actual knowledge requried action. Middle ground b/t duty to monitor
and actual knowledge: red flag provision. ISPs should not ignore clear indications
of infringement however discovered & should cooperate w/copyright owners.
Anticircumvention: controlling access was becoming more important than making
copies. Exceptions included periodic rulemaking for temporary exemptions.

Mr. Jonathan Band, Owner, Jonathan Band PLLC

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TPM control appeared in EU Software Directive. Problem:
legitimate reasons to unlock TPMs, including for interoperability; he worked on
exceptions. Safe harbors for basic online functions: Yahoo provided the
then-leading directory, but arguably fell outside the info location tool safe
harbor, so negotiated legislative report language to make clear that it was
covered. Database protection was also proposed by the DMCA House version,
fortunately failed. DRM and safe harbors were a compromise: you can’t consider
the effectiveness and fairness of either in isolation. Each industry believes
its own section was successful; each title includes internal compromise, but that
was a grand bargain between each one. Congress made policy choices w/open eyes
and courts have generally complied with Congressional intent. Note also term
extension at the same time: windfall to © owners.

Mr. Robert S. Schwartz, Partner, Constantine Cannon

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Road began in 1981 with 9th Circuit’s ruling against VCRs.
Even after the SCt overturned that, content industry proposed levies on tech.
Consumer groups formed home recording rights organization. Negotiated serial
copy management system designed to prevent impact on general computers—AHRA—which
became a dead letter quickly. Computers have to be covered, so there was a copy
protection working group. Bad experience
with mandatesàTPM
provisions. Should have tied circumvention to copyright infringement; should be
limited to expressive uses and allow for uses like vehicle repair. Trafficking
provisions inhibit fair use and vehicle repair. Even with an exemption, user
can’t get lawfully produced software to take advantage of exemption b/c of
trafficking provisions.

Mr. Steve Metalitz, Partner, Mitchell, Silberberg &
Knupp LLP

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Speaking in personal capacity though represented © industries
in negotiations. Implementing WIPO digital treaties: 1201 was for that. On the
whole, remarkably successful: lots of access to content, due in large part to
TPMs [now wait until he tells you about what the creative environment is like
due to 512]—allowed creation of marketplace, not thieves’ bazaar. Congress got
this right. 512 was a different story:
politically necessary, not necessary for treaty compliance. Telcos wanted
payback for the IP carveout in 230. Copyright owners didn’t need or want 512.
Goal: provide incentives for © owners and services to work together.
Infringement is pervasive and so are infringement-based business models. Close
to blanket immunity for OSPs if they take relatively minimal steps out of scale
with the infringement problem; can base their business models on infringement.
Dominant online businesses have to shoulder responsibility for bad behavior,
including IP theft. Increased volume of infringement, increased velocity, need
for voluntary arrangements that haven’t yet materialized.

Sen. Coons: This is the most active subcommittee of
Judiciary. Core © industries add $1 trillion to GDP. [And core OSP industries?] Google didn’t exist in 1992. Digital piracy
has exploded. Unauthorized copies are just a click away. [Yep, 1201 totally
worked.] Digital video piracy costs $29 billion/year and 250,000 jobs.

Tillis: what areas are most contentious? Given where we are
now, is there opportunity to bridge the gap with modernization?

Damich: Ethically can’t give opinions on future legislation.

Tillis: root causes of differences?

Damich: did try to compromise on 512 & 1201. Hatch broke
impasse: made sure there was a core group of stakeholders then a larger group
of interested parties like libraries, reverse engineering researchers, law
enforcement were allowed to comment.

Band: 1201, 512, databases all happening together. Most of
the focus was probably on safe harbors b/c players were bigger on both sides:
telcos v. big content providers. Hard to get focus on 1201/databases. Hard to
get researchers to believe 1201 would happen: encryption researchers insisted Congress
would never do anything so stupid. More people are familiar now with 1201 and
auto repair type problems.

Schwartz: Home Recording Rights Coalition was included up to
a point, then excluded from negotiations. We were considered too tough to make
a final deal with. Sen. Ashcroft worked with us to work on legislative history.
Didn’t anticipate that at most recent triennial rulemaking we’d be there on
behalf of farming bureaus. With short growing seasons + distant repair
facilities run by manufacturers, a software-dependent equipment breakdown means
a waiting list for authorized repair, while independents would do it if they
could. It’s not trafficking to obtain and use software; the Copyright Office
has gone as far as it thinks it can go in allowing repairers to act on behalf
of owners but still needs guidance on trafficking.

Metalitz: also surprised to represent auto manufacturers at
the triennial rulemaking. 1201 speaks in very general terms of all TPMs. Stood
the test of time better than 512, which depended on the tech of the time. Storage
at the direction of the user was straightforward at the time. Other functions
were added: indexing, highlighting content for users. [This is ahistorical,
albeit algorithmic discovery was in its infancy; indexing and highlighting were
definitely known at the time.] Unfortunately courts said this was all ok but
that wasn’t intended. Legislation in general terms (except for the exceptions
in 1201, which are good) last longer v. tech-specific 512.

Panel II

Professor Sandra Aistars, Clinical Professor Senior Scholar
and Director Copyright Research & Policy, Center for the Protection of IP, Antonin
Scalia Law School, George Mason University

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Informed by clients’ epxerience but views are her own. 512
hasn’t helped creators; the bargain Congress expected was not achieved. Twin
goals of quick removal and support for innovation. No blind eye to infringement—red
flag provisions have been misinterpreted and eviscerated, especially in 2d and
9th Circuits [those hotbeds of hostility to the © industries]. Perfect 10 v.
CCBill—“illegal/stolen” label wasn’t a red flag [to credit card
processors]. Viacom v. YouTube limited
obligation to knowledge of specific infringing activity, and UMG v. Shelter
Capital agreed. Capitol Records v. Vimeo: red flag not triggered by full length
copies of © works, even when leaders winkingly encouraged infringement. Notice
and takedown alone isn’t enough. Representative list requirement isn’t enforced.
Works with artists and small businesses; even trained and coached, students
found removal frustrating and time consuming; searches led to phishing sites
[note that this is already illegal; these sites aren’t likely to be complying
with the DMCA and it has yet to be explained to me why they’d comply with
DMCA-Plus.] CASE Act would allow recipients of bad notices to sue in small
claims court. Cox is a good case: they
failed to enforce even a toothless repeat infringer policy.

Professor Rebecca Tushnet, Frank Stanton Professor of the
First Amendment, Harvard Law School

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I would like to start with some perhaps surprising numbers
that illustrate what §512 has meant for creativity and innovation online. I work with a nonprofit, the Organization for
Transformative Works (OTW), that doesn’t have a single paid employee. With a
budget of under $400,000 per year, it operates a website for user-generated
content that currently has over four million creative works from over a million
registered users. Those millions of works attract 1.12 billion page views per
month. That’s more than double what it was only three years ago, and rapid
growth continues. Last year we were honored by the World Science Fiction
Society with a Hugo Award for our service to the global community of fans.

Despite the large numbers of works posted on our site, we
get less than one DMCA notice per month. Most of those notices are invalid,
such as attempts to claim rights in a title or name. At the cost of significant
amounts of volunteer lawyer time—something very few services can afford—we
carefully review each notice and explain to the senders of the invalid notices
why their claim is mistaken. Unfortunately, our experiences with mistaken and
abusive notices designed to suppress noninfringing and critical speech are
common among service providers.

Empirical research reveals that most of the internet service
providers who rely on §512 are like us: Most service providers receive
relatively few notices and handle them individually. Only a few entities receive
millions of notices. While market pressures and business decisions have led a
few large sites like YouTube to rely on automated systems and sometimes on
filters, it is important not to treat YouTube as a model for the internet at
large. If we did, the only online service to survive would be YouTube.

If there is one message I would ask the members of the
Committee to take away today, it is that most beneficiaries of §512 are not
like Google or Facebook. Big or small, most sites that use §512 don’t need and
couldn’t survive a requirement to use technologically complex mechanisms to
filter out the relatively rare infringements.

There are serious problems of market concentration in the
content and telecommunications industries, and §512 has been vital to preserving
the competition that exists. If Congress changes §512 to target Google and
Facebook, or because of rogue overseas sites that already ignore the law, it
will ensure that only Facebook, Google and pirate sites survive, making the
problem of market concentration even worse without protecting creators. A
mandate for filtering, whether called “staydown” or something else, would
destroy the small and medium entities that are vital to innovation, creativity,
and competition on the internet.

The system is by no means perfect—there remain persistent
problems with invalid takedown notices used to extort creators or suppress
political speech—but, like democracy, it’s better than the alternatives that
have been tried. The numbers of
independent creators and the amount of money spent on legitimate content are
growing every year. Changes to §512 would be likely to make things much worse.

My written testimony addresses some other specific issues,
including section 1201. Section 1201 is broken: it is mostly used to suppress
competition rather than protect copyrighted works from infringement. It would
benefit from requiring a nexus between circumvention and copyright
infringement. Otherwise it will continue to be used to prevent diabetics from
getting information from their own medical devices and researchers from
investigating security vulnerabilities in voting machines.

Professor Jessica Litman, John F. Nickoll Professor of Law, University
of Michigan Law School

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Three points: (1) In 22 years since DMCA, anticircumvention
hasn’t lived up to its promise. Immense symbolic value, not effective v. piracy.
No additional deterrent to people who are already infringing. DRM is not
impregnable and it is buggy—prevents licensed uses. Americans believe that if
they buy a copy, they should get to use it. If they need to repair it, they
often try to find fixes and usually succeed. Circumvention tools are widely available.
Meanwhile, businesses that embed software have harmed aftermarket parts and independent
repair. It’s unreasonable to tell a farmer who wants to repair a tractor to
petition the Librarian of Congress for permission to do so. That has nothing to
do with © piracy.

(2) 512 safe harbor tradeoff worked well for longer than we
had any right to expect. Courts have been good at interpreting it. Principal
weakness: imagined human judgment applied in good faith to send and receive
notices. That didn’t scale for large © owners and [some] large services. Automated solutions are buggy with false
positives/wrongness. Larger © owners and services have negotiated private
deals, but smaller services without the ability to strike private deals still
find 512 essential.

(3) © owners complain about “value gap” based on market
power of ISPs leading to lower license fees. I get why © owners are upset, but
this is a bargaining power/competition problem, not a © problem. Antitrust
would be a better solution.

Professor Mark F. Schultz, Goodyear Tire & Rubber
Company Chair in Intellectual Property Law Director, Intellectual Property and
Technology Law Program, University of Akron School of Law

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Good intentions—sought to shield infant industry, which is
grown up now into world’s most wealthy and powerful businesses; outdated
assumptions. Courts narrowed service providers’ responsibility too much.
Congress assumed ISPs would be indifferent to infringement, not supportive of
it. Infringement notices in billions, files spread fast. Not just one upload,
nonstop uploading by many users. Finding one copy is worthless. Many online
services profit from availability of infringing material. [I always wish they’d
name names. Lots of services that did profit in this way have been sued out of
existence, and also Veoh, which didn’t; who exactly do they think, other
than Google, is an illegitimate business that survives only because the DMCA
doesn’t have a filtering mandate?] Courts
have excused businesses from many duties intended by the DMCA even where they
knew of and profited from infringement—not what laypeople would call knowledge.
Red flag now meaningless. [This is the specific knowledge/general knowledge
distinction: general knowledge that infringement is most likely occurring on
your platform is not red flag knowledge.
I wonder whether he thinks the University of Akron has red flag
knowledge, defined as he would like to redefine it.]

Solutions: (1) amend 512 to require notice and styadown. (2)
Revise to define willful blindness; not encouraged to ignore infringement.

Sen. Tillis: What did you learn from panel 1?

Schultz: Metalitz is right: red flags.

Litman: 512(m) explicitly relieved sites of a duty to
monitor; that was a good idea; courts have been really careful to limit
knowledge so as not to interfere with 512(m).

RT: These red flag claims are not right. Viacom seeded YT
with apparently leaked footage; what counts as red flag knowledge is
appropriately determined case by case.
On the volume of infringement: Almost all the sites you’ve heard of,
including Wikipedia and Amazon Kindle/digital, have very few problems with
actual infringement. Most can’t afford and don’t need filtering.

Aistars: 1201 engendered cross industry cooperation; worked
w/entertainment and computer industry to not burden consumers and build new
businesses. 512 didn’t engender affordable tech to filter works before they
were uploaded. Court decisions around 1201 have hewed to parties’ expectations.
We didn’t expect printer cartridges and courts didn’t apply 1201 to them.
Lacked same luck for 512.

Sen. Leahy: Success reflected a years long bipartisan
process. To RT: is it working?

RT: Yes: Most sites don’t have problems. Google receives billions of notices, but it
is doing a lot/used to get other sites not searched.

Coons: Does 512 discourage sites from gaining knowledge?

RT: No, it encourages them to monitor for other bad things
like terrorist content without fear that if they see something else they’ll be
liable for infringement.

Litman: also encourages monitoring for ©: if they catch one
infringement, 512 means they can’t be held liable for the ones they missed.

Coons for Schultz: is burden on rightsholders to police
fair?

A: should be shared burden. YT had scroll showing one Comedy
Central clip after another on homepage. Knows content owner objects; that’s
wrong.

For Aistars: repeat infringers/whack a mole?

A: (1) isn’t a shared burden to find infringement; (2) there
has been some success against ISPs that don’t implement their own extremely
lenient policies, but that’s not much of a victory—14 notifications before
action is taken, and customer can just start again; sets us up for bad actors
trampling small businesses. Have to decide on creating v. sitting at home
searching for infringement.

Coons: working together on voluntary measures?

Aistars: STMs are supposed to be accommodated, but there’s
no process to ID tech though many could qualify, like Audible Magic. For a # of
years, relatively inexpensive [$10,000/month for small websites, yay]. 1201
worked b/c there were incentives for cross industry cooperation. 512=no
incentives for anyone. No requirement to work together.

Coons: are there easy modernizations to improve balance?

Aistars: red flag.

RT: (1) apply antitrust to © and telecom. (2) 1201
infringement nexus.

Litman: narrowing 1201 would help. 512: these are computers,
they aren’t as smart as us. They don’t recognize what humans would. Can’t tell
who uploaded content. Can’t simply assume that online services perceive as
humans do.

Schultz: red flag. Willful blindness isn’t just computers;
Vimeo says employees can interact w/famous content, but b/c they’re not ©
experts, can’t hold them to objective knowledge. Every layperson knows where to
go to get infringing content. [Is it Vimeo?]

Sen. Tillis: What are decisions that are problematic?

Aistars: See her testimony: Perfect 10 v. CCBill, Viacom,
UMG v. Shelter Capital, Capital Records v. Vimeo.

RT: those cases were rightly decided. Perfect 10 was
specific to sexual content, Viacom had those “leaked” uploads. The alternative, filtering via staydown is
terrible. Google spent $60 million [correction:
now $100 million] on a system that is 60% effective according to the major
labels who use it, and we’re better at ID’ing music than at other types of
works.

Litman: dislikes some results. In Cox, they lost the safe
harbor for not terminating users, which could be right, but Cox was receiving automated
takedown notices with thousands of dollar-demanding settlement letters
attached. They wrote back refusing to forward the settlement letters. The court
considered these to be notices that Cox ignored.

Schultz: dislikes same cases as Aistars. The understanding
of what constitutes knowledge defies common sense/most other areas of law.

Staydown should only occur after notice. [I don’t know why
people think this is an argument in favor of filtering. The primary problem
with filtering is not that there’s no list, it’s the expensive and error-prone apparatus
of filtering that most sites can’t afford and don’t need. It’s as if the police
came to every business on Main Street and said, we’ll be sending you a list of our
10 most wanted, and if you don’t employ facial recognition at each entrance to
catch them you’ll be breaking the law, but don’t worry, it won’t be burdensome
because we’ll send you the pictures.]
Affordable filters exist but there’s no market demand; if there were a
duty we’d see more systems [magic, or Audible Magic?]. Congress can make
exceptions.

Tillis: infringement online is big; number of notices is
difficult for new entrants [again, this is not true in the way he thinks—most entrants
don’t get big numbers of notices, but quality screening can be a big deal]. Neither
is wrong but the DMCA is not working in every case.

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False advertising of flanges leads to rare recall and some disgorgement

Posted on February 11, 2020 by rtushnet

Boltex Manufacturing Co. v. Ulma Piping USA Corp., 2020 WL 598284, No. 4:17-CV-01400 (S.D. Tex. Feb. 7, 2020)

Followup on the multimillion-dollar verdict in this false advertising case. A jury found that defendants

falsely advertised their carbon steel flanges as being normalized and/or in compliance with ASTM A105, A961, and A941. “Normalizing a carbon steel flange improves the physical properties of the flange. … [This] is important, as flanges can be used in extreme high-temperature, high-pressure, corrosive environments.” Customers expect flanges marked “A105N” to be normalized in accordance with ASTM standards, but “have no easy, non-destructive, means of verifying whether or not the flange was actually heat treated.”

Still, “[n]ot all ASTM A105N flanges or flange manufacturers are created equally.” A hotly disputed issue at trial was whether the parties actually compete: plaintiffs are domestic manufacturers, and Ulma sells only foreign-made flanges. “[D]omestic flanges are considered by some to be superior to foreign flanges and command a price premium. Indeed, testimony suggested that certain companies would not accept foreign flanges and that distributors would therefore stock foreign and domestic flanges separately so as not to commingle the flanges—in order to comply with the domestic-only orders. Other consumers do not care about a flange’s origin and still others prefer foreign made.” Thus, Ulma argued that its false advertising hadn’t harmed Boltex. Boltex contended that “many buyers—including pipeline companies—would accept both foreign and domestic flanges interchangeably for many jobs,” though it conceded that they weren’t head to head competitors in all markets.

Plaintiffs’ damages expert calculated Boltex’s damages by determining the hypothetical share of the market that they would have occupied if Ulma wasn’t a market participant. Defendants’ damages expert argued that there was no overlap between the two markets and showed that Boltex made virtually no sales to Ulma’s five customers (almost 85% of their sales), though the numbers changed once one considered Ulma’s top ten customers. The overlap was thus both “evident” and “somewhat small.”

The jury chose a middle ground, awarding $650,000 in damages to Boltex for the six years covered by the lawsuit, and $300,000 in damages to co-plaintiff Weldbend, much lower than the millions sought by plaintiffs. The court agreed that this was appropriate.

Although at least 95% of Ulma’s “A105” flanges weren’t normalized in compliance with ASTM A105, as they explicitly represented, Ulma argued that they were normalized according to Ulma’s “in-line normalization process.” The court declined to rule on “the chemical soundness of this process.” Ulma falsely advertised ASTM A105 normalization, and that’s that.

This false advertising included a 2017 letter to customers sent the month that suit was filed, accusing Boltex of lying about the mislabeling and falsely reiterating that they did normalize their flanges in compliance with ASTM standards. Only in late 2018/early 2019 did Ulma admit to customers that it used two processes, and at trial Ulma just said it should have been more accurate. “These facts clearly influenced the jury with regard to their award of punitive damages and finding that disgorgement was appropriate.” The court agreed on its relevance.

The jury found that Boltex had lost profits of $250,000 from May 5, 2013 to May 4, 2015 and $400,000 from May 5, 2015 to May 31, 2019 [the dates are important because of a dispute about the limitations period for Lanham Act claims; the court chose four years] and that Weldbend had lost profits of $100,000 from May 5, 2013 to May 4, 2015 and $200,000 from May 5, 2015 to May 31, 2019. Under Texas law, they awarded punitive damages of $2 million to each plaintiff. The jury found that Ulma should disgorge $26 million from May 5, 2013 to May 31, 2019. This result was supported by the evidence, except that the amount of disgorgement was too high.

Disgorgement requires a court to consider: (1) whether the defendant had the intent to confuse or deceive, (2) whether sales have been diverted, (3) the adequacy of other remedies, (4) any unreasonable delay by the plaintiff in asserting his rights, (5) the public interest in making the misconduct unprofitable, and (6) whether it is a case of palming off. These are nonexclusive factors where equity would consider others. The jury was instructed on these factors, and made a reasonable finding, especially given that factors (1) and (5) soundly weighed in plaintiffs’ favor. The public interest was also significantly served by disgorgement because determining whether normalization had occurred can’t be checked without a test that destroys the product, making false advertising difficult to detect and requiring buyers to rely on the labeling (which includes purported test results). In addition, the false advertising here “relates to the integrity of pipelines carrying oil and gas,” and a crack “could result in leaks that severely harm the environment or cause damage to life or property.” There was also some evidence of sales diversion, and other remedies were inadquate— “even the pursuit of this action did not dissuade the Defendants, considering they sent out the 2017 letter again falsely advertising that their products were ASTM compliant.” As to delay, “while this conduct had been ongoing for some time, the Plaintiffs moved promptly once they could confirm the misconduct by testing Defendants’ products.”

In assessing the appropriate amount, the court wanted to avoid over-compensation by awarding both damages for plaintiffs’ lost profits on diverted sales and the profits made by the infringer. Instead of the entire amount awarded by the jury, the court used plaintiffs’ expert’s numbers and awarded each plaintiff a percentage of Ulma’s profit commensurate with their respective market shares. For Boltex, who held a 11.6% market share, the Court added $3,016,000 in disgorgement. For Weldbend, who held a 10.4% market share, the Court added $2,704,000.

Plaintiffs sought reconsideration, citing a “plethora of cases holding that a court may award disgorgement even where a diversion of sales is not shown,” though those were TM cases. They also argued that it would be inequitable to allow any windfall to go to Ulma, which engaged in false advertising. Comment: really the money should go to the absent market participants, but they aren’t in the case and, while they can probably use offensive collateral estoppel against Ulma on liability, they may face a very different limitations period. Deceived consumers who used non-normalized flanges and now may face a variety of consequences, regulatory and otherwise, may also have their own claims.

Anyway, the court declined to change its mind:

In trademark infringement cases, there is only one party that has been injured—the owner of the trademark. Where a trademark infringer enters into a market within the penumbra of a trademark holder’s business, but that the holder has not yet entered, there may be an injury without any actual lost sales. In those situations, disgorgement is necessary to remedy the harm that will not be covered by an award of lost profits. Further, awarding all of the disgorged profits to the trademark owner is not a windfall as the owner is the only one damaged (setting aside the theoretical damages to consumers).

In this false advertising case, “the harm the Lanham Act addresses is one shared by all competitors in the market—the encroachment on the ability to compete in a fair market.” Only a disgorgement award shared between all competitors in the market would serve the Lanham Act’s purpose of “achiev[ing] equity between or among the parties.” Here, the two companies weren’t even major Ulna competitors. The jury’s estimate of Ulma’s profits from its false advertising was reasonable, but that profit was gained at all competitors’ expense. A proportional share award was equitable as between defendants and these plaintiffs.

This wasn’t an exceptional case, given the hotly contested question of whether plaintiffs were even injured, and, “in a sister case filed against a different defendant, another court (obviously with a different record) actually granted summary judgment for the defendants due to a failure by Plaintiffs to show that they had been injured as a result of the alleged false advertisements.” See Boltex Manuf. Co., LP v. Galperti, Inc., H-17-1439, 2019 WL 2568338 (S.D. Tex. June 21, 2019). The intentionally false advertising, continued after the filing of suit, did not change this conclusion. Those actions justified punitive damages [which the court required plaintiffs to disclaim to get federal remedies] and disgorgement [which the court shrank], but not fees; the court noted that the jury cut the requested actual damages by 95%.

Plaintiffs argued that they should be allowed to recover state punitive damages in addition to Lanham Act damages, because that wasn’t double counting of, e.g., actual damages. Fifth Circuit precedent says that “picking and choosing from damage elements arising under different theories … is impermissible under Texas law.” [This necessarily implies that Texas common law doesn’t allow recovery of lost profits, disgorgement, and costs, though I haven’t followed all the arguments in the case.] Given plaintiffs’ preference for the largest possible award, the court awarded over $3.7 million to Boltex and a bit over $3 million to Weldbend under the Lanham Act (including costs). The court noted that Texas’s cap on punitive damages to twice actual damages meant that Boltex could only have gotten $800,000 and Weldbend $400,000 given the jury’s awards of actual damages.

Boltex Manufacturing Co. v. Ulma Piping USA Corp., 2020 WL 605321, No. 4:17-CV-01400 (S.D. Tex. Feb. 7, 2020)

Also, the court granted a permanent injunction. Ulma persisted in false advertising even after suit was filed, and that false advertising caused pecuniary harm, but if it continues those damages may be impossible to quantify, and potentially lost customers qualify as irreparable harm. (Interestingly, at least if market participation is pretty stable, this might be a rare case where the market is capable of penalizing Ulma. I know I wouldn’t want to take any risks on whether Ulma was really normalizing its “normalized” flanges, and I would also wonder what other private definitions of industry standard terms it had been using.) The court calls lost market share “non-monetary damages” for purposes of finding irreparable injury, which seems weird, but that’s because we have no coherent concept of goodwill in Lanham Act law. It’s not non-monetary, but it can be hard to measure.

The court also granted a rare recall order, given the potential consequences of using a non-normalized flange: However, Ulma could avoid recalling those flanges if they “relabel/rebrand or otherwise redesignate (by some means that is either actually on the flange or accompanies the flange in question) those flanges so that they accurately reflect that they have not been normalized and are not compliant with the standards set out in ASTM A105.” The one untaken safety measure is informing the customers who actually bought the non-ASTM normalized flanges that the flanges weren’t in fact ASTM normalized.

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WIPIP 2020, Day 2 panel 4

Posted on February 10, 2020 by rtushnet

Panel 4: Copyright

Stephanie Bair, Copyright’s Hidden Costs

We’ve used the creativity literature to examine the benefits side of ©, but not necessarily the costs. The benefits of engaging in creative pursuits/having creative skills: being good at problem finding, being good at problem solving, being able to balance convergent and divergent thinking. These are talents but also skills that can benefit from exercise and practice. People who score higher on creativity measures enjoy a range of surprising life benefits, including better relationships, more relationship satisfaction, better ability to handle life challenges big & small, and even lower suicide rates/lower rates of suicide ideation. When you have creative skills, you employ that not just when you’re writing a book or working on a song, but when your partner does something surprising.

Downstream creative activities like home produced YT video using other music; fan fiction; Baby Yoda memes: if fair use is more available to you if you are a celebrity than if you are not, that has implications. Suppression of activities might be more costly than we previously thought b/c these are the types of activities that give people the opportunity to be creative in everyday life, work their creative muscles.

Q: is this lumpily distributed? Are some people just creative in only one domain and not in others? If so, should that inform IP?

A: not thinking yet about doctrine, though for fair use it doesn’t matter what the subject matter is.

Ochoa: benefits of ©: not really about incentivizing creation, but about incentivizing distribution: publishers want exclusivity. Similarly on the cost side, © isn’t inhibiting everyday activities but it is inhibiting commercialization/distribution of these products b/c people are doing these things every day by and large despite the law/b/c of tolerated use; © isn’t costing us creation but it is costing us distribution.

A: that is relevant b/c creation is at the heart of what she’s doing, not distribution.

Charles Duan: similar to The Cathedral and the Bazaar, two different models for developing software.

RT: OTW NTIA report on the benefits at issue—and it is clear that creating a community has huge positive effects; distribution does matter a lot.

Rub: agrees w/ Ochoa, but chilling might be an issue. Also questions of limits on access to source material.

Ochoa: chilling effects come from C&D [or Content ID/DMCA].

Amanda Reid, Social Utility of Music: A Case for a Copyright Exemption for Therapeutic Uses

High transaction costs, low revenues, high benefits: matches the case for other statutory carveouts like face to face teaching. Long history of using music to heal and soothe, likely related to innate properties of musicality; no culture so far found lacks music. Can help people bypass injured areas of the brain.

Can use song choice & lyric analysis for therapy; can help preterm infants learn to feed by helping them suck in rhythm; improvisation and singalong can be therapeutic; so can song transformation/changing the words to make them more meaningful personally; music legacy and collage to help deal with the end of life: being able to leave behind an artifact is important. Teenager w/inoperable concert wanted to sing Rudolph, the Red Nosed Reindeer for her family—mad scramble for a license, but music therapist served as gatekeeper telling family not to create this artifact w/o a license. The music licensors are a nightmare for therapeutic purposes, e.g. they may want to hand out sheet music or create a mix tape or change the lyrics—all of these are different rights holders. ASCAP license won’t suffice.

Music therapy has prosocial functional use. Fair use is too unpredictable/ad hoc.

Eric Goldman: the paper is the foundation of advocacy, and it justifies that additional work.

A: heavy responsibility to do no damage, not put it under the microscope for rights holders.

Ramsey: they will oppose. Consider a compulsory license with a small payment?

A: it’s just not much money, in line with the existing exemptions, and even small payment is a big hurdle.

Q: would you reduce the incentive to create therapeutic music?

A: those rhythms are for the nutritive sucking, it’s not an expressive creation. No diminution of creation.

Q: but you can buy relaxation music on iTunes. What about that?

A: will consider. Biggest barrier is establishing a limiting principle: a therapeutic relationship with a therapist who has a health goal. Can discuss licensing/credentialling. Not just music that makes a person happy.

Q: what do you think the hard cases are? Can Dr. Phil create a mix tape for everyone?

A: no, it has to be individualized. Sometimes a particular song reminds a person of an incident they’re working through. Therapists are worried they’re going to get in trouble—if it becomes known what they’re doing. They hear about schools getting C&D letters; they don’t feel they can rely on fair use.

Q: could a hospital then have a music therapist on staff?

A: yes, that seems right.

Ochoa: why are these people so risk averse?

A: they do, they just hope they don’t get caught. Statutory damages are scary.

Q: then we need to change the perception. Recent issue with Disney billing a PTA: there was a huge backlash. Maybe you really need to attack the fear. Music industry is likely to try to reduce any statutory exemption to a useless, dead letter. An exemption that’s too narrow may be less effective than teaching people to stop worrying.

A: even an exemption creates a bit of a bubble around it.

Q: sure [though fair use should do that too].

Duan: it’s a useful finding that the therapists are scared, in itself.

Rub: if they don’t trust fair use, why would they trust the kind of highly limited, technical provision that is likely to result from legislative bargaining?

A: Good question. context: heavy regulation, such as HIPAA—they’re wound tight for good reasons related to the regulation in general. Hospitals sometimes get nastygrams from ASCAP.

Q: good place for best practices.

A: doesn’t help risk aversion.

Q: yes, it does—that’s what they’re for—the documentarians have found best practices workable.

Q: as a non © person, it seems weird that we say “let’s have all these laws, but people should just ignore them.”

A: fair use isn’t an infringement.

Q: but lack of clarity means we’re not really sure. In patent law we don’t really care if a single person is doing something, but in © every act of an ordinary person implicates © law and we have a nebulous doctrine.

Bridy: are these even public performances, in therapy?

A: no, they aren’t. But there may be exceptions, such as a cabaret performance for special needs children organized by a therapist.

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WIPIP 2020, Day 2 panel 3

Posted on February 10, 2020 by rtushnet

Panel 3: Copyright

Sarah Polcz, Loyalties v. Royalties: Relational Roots in Joint Authorship

Relative reward (a pun!) and joint authorship. Our satisfaction for compensation is not just about absolutes, but about how fair the share is compared to the share of those alongside of whom we work. Default rules matter more where informality prevails, as in songwriting. Default rule scholarship hasn’t focused much on relative satisfaction. Maybe we have strong intuitions about preferences. People often feel that reward should roughly track contributions: pay proportionality/wage dispersion. German and English courts have awarded proportional shares, but US default is an equal split even with evidence of varying contributions. Proportional division is feasible as shown by Germany and UK. So why default to equality?

One possibility: penalty default. Lets courts avoid difficult judgments about contributions. But if parties are unlikely to be legally savvy, the penalty won’t work. Little actual empirical support for intuition about preference for proportional reward.

Band songwriting is a good case study b/c it’s not under work for hire. Parties are less likely to be thinking of legality at time of creation v. other types of creativity and likely to know very little about other bands’ practices. Joint authorship is common in songs. Songwriting royalties are economically important for bands. Publicly available data exist.

Study: gold record bands, perform mostly their own songs. 750 of them. Coded based on first released album, origin region, genre, number of band members, and members’ contribution to songwriting (done by coding interview data). Binary: split equally or not. Checked for media reports about how the band members think about royalty splits, with 84% agreement w/her results.

Bands have gone from primarily unequal to primarily equal splits. 24% of bands formed pre-1970 split equally, 70% post-2000. Increase in equal splits is true mostly for genres, regions, number of members.

12% of increase was due to band characteristics—decrease in size of bands. Smaller bands are more likely to prefer an equal split. More even contributions also are more likely to have an equal split. 24% increase can be attributed to other factors, possibly industry changes like increased royalties.

Equal split matches current preferences but is perceived as being at odds with them. Courts have therefore perceived it as being unfair and altered the standards to make it harder for minority contributors to receive a share.

A mark against any claim that common law rules are equally efficient.

RT: is there any reason to think that gold record bands are different?

A: interviews w/bands at multiple different stages, similar results across lifecycle. Experiments: found that split preference is generally driven by relationship characteristics. People typically pick their split early in their careers and stick with it; renegotiation is difficult especially when there’s been success.

Tang: you mean groups of at least two members. Why choose bands? If you have that close a relationship, it seems that the split would have to be equal b/c how do you coexist on a tour bus and not split equally? Would seem to cause high tension/turnover. What about looking at it song by song? Those songwriters don’t have the same kind of extended relationship—e.g., songwriter and performer have splits based sometimes perhaps on the power of the performer, v. professional songwriters.

A: that’s an important category of music; for songs that have 3 or more writers in the entire ASCAP dataset, 70% are by musical groups that are typically performing them as well. It can change over time, too; typically bands are about 50%. Maybe what you’re talking about now is another time based trend.

Ochoa: you seem critical of the default presumption, but bands are getting closer to the default presumption. What’s wrong with the default presumption as a default rule?

A: not critical of it! Just trying to figure out if it’s a penalty default or reflects preferences. Showing that it does reflect preferences is an important result for judges to take into account when considering implications of a decision that affects other aspects of authorship attribution, like the intent standard.

Ochoa: then you run into the problem of whether bands are typical of other types of coauthorship.

A: I don’t have that data but I can say that they’re an important group of authors.

Ochoa: no reason to believe that music is typical of other types of coauthorship.

A: relationship is also supported by experiments w/nonmusicians: relationships are driving preferences in other coauthorship collaborations. Trend among smaller groups. Also relevant b/c other areas are more likely to be covered by WFH.

Guy Rub: You’re suggesting penalty default is not an explanation, but it could be one explanation out of several.

A: not making any claim about how often they’re contracting out; doesn’t know whether there is a contract that specifies. But if your theory is that a good reason to have this rule is that people should be induced to specify a share, this isn’t a good inducement for a lot/there are reasons that they do want an equal split.

Xiying Tang, Why Technopessimism Is Bad for Copyright Law: Technopessimism has bled over into © to its detriment.

What did early internet scholars like about the internet? The ability to have many creators with access to audiences, the ability to break down the fetishization of the original and acknowledge that things like sampling have inherent value. Section 512 helped these new technologies proliferate; Google Books decision, anti-SOPA/PIPA activism.

Is the tide turning? Most ominious example: Copyright Directive art. 15 & 17, specifically to address the so called “value gap”—big tech (US) is just too rich. A distributive justice allocation tool: Some of Big Tech’s money should be given to other people. Sunsetting of music consent decrees in the US. Assistant AG Delrahim has suggested pulling the protections of the consent decrees from the online services compared to Equinox or Starbucks. Other examples: Cox jury verdict, one of the largest damage awards ever levied, against an ISP.

We still need technooptimism for copyright because of competition/antitrust concerns. Big Content still has most of the bargaining power/Judge Koh in the SDNY found ASCAP and BMI engaged in anticompetitive conduct in negotiations with Pandora. Without the protections of the safe harbor, consent decrees, fair use, what we will see is shutting down of competition on the internet, not just on Google/YT.

Lemley: what do we do about it?

A: working on it. Tell the DOJ not to sunset the consent decrees. Cox jury verdict. Because public sentiment is anti big tech, it’s bleeding over into these things. Apple’s creepy spying shouldn’t translate into copyright policy.

Bridy: major broadband providers like telecoms/telcos are differently situated from Google, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, FB: the boogeyman tech companies. Telecoms/telcos are often politically opposed to “FAANG.” So is Cox a fit?

Jacob: there is also small tech, not just big content and big tech. There’s more collaboration b/t big content and big tech. Seem to have agreed to increase compulsory licensing rate to shut out small scale competitors. Maybe not that new: player piano company colluded w/© owners to shut out other player piano cos.

A: is it collaboration? They threatened to sue Spotify into oblivion if it didn’t support the Music Modernization Act. Sees that as another example of big content’s leverage: they can force tech companies to play by their rules or shut down.

Jacob: still interesting that Spotify gets a benefit of shutting out/down competition out of the deal.

Rub: Book industry: Amazon controls that industry now. [B/c it’s not as concentrated, even though it’s pretty concentrated! And maybe also b/c the gov’t exercised antitrust authority.]

A: Needs to look further into the Apple antitrust case about book price fixing.

Robert Kirk, Walker Breaking with Convention: The Many Failings of Scènes à Faire

A literary theory about audience expectations turns into a limiting theory alongside idea/expression. “Incidents, characters and settings which are as a practical matter indispensable or at least standard in the treatment of a given topic.” This makes intuitive sense on first look. But consider the use of Nazi imagery in The Producers: it uses the tropes but in a completely revolutionary/parodic way. It’s all both original and highly stock/formulaic. How do we deal with this? What does indispensable mean? Almost no elements are actually necessary; alternatives are regularly available. Courts are trying to get at the idea that some ways of expressing an idea are just more satisfying.

There are a wide variety of genres and microgenres: Netflix has 70,000 ways of grouping works. They’re unstable and change over time: true crime podcasts. Morality plays. They evolve based on audience taste and historical circumstance.

Another issue is aesthetic nondiscrimination tension. Should protect all “original” works regardless of artistic merit. Courts should thus avoid aesthetic judgments to prevent reading their own preferences into the law. But lots of places, they have to make aesthetic judgments and scenes a faire is one place they do: are similarities due to stock elements? What is the genre of the work? What are the standard elements of such a genre?

Also a Feist problem: scenes a faire doesn’t protect common elements even if minimal creativity is present. E.g., unconventional uses of conventional materials may not be protected.

Result: underprotects satire and unconventional uses. Underprotects expression that becomes standard over time: Sherlock Holmes was a novel character in English literature, but is now a standard character type. May underprotect works from marginalized communities misclassified as folk or traditional—history of appropriation from musical artists. Encourages over-claiming because it’s murky: No methods for deciding what conventions are relevant.

Time should matter: scenes a faire should consider what the standard was at the time the work was created. Claimant provides genre examples at registration as prima facie evidence, creating an ontological web.

RT: I feel like you’re not giving weight to scope v. protection. No one thinks that your book about a dinosaur island where dinosaurs made from fossilized amber roam around is unprotectable; we just think Jurassic Park doesn’t infringe it. It’s substantial similarity the standard that is our problem, forcing us to determine what parts of a work are protectable b/c protection goes beyond pure reproduction. And timing won’t help b/c the idea of reconstructing dinosaurs from DNA predates the dinosaur park book; you shouldn’t get a monopoly over that scenario by being the first to market that book.

A: he’s trying to create better guidance for scenes a faire, which right now operates like judicial notice, and isn’t as well defined as short words & phrases or idea/expression. Wants something more rigorous. If we allow certain types of creativity to be discarded as standard, it needs more heft. Not even convinced it should be a separate doctrine from idea/expression. But since we do have it, I want it to be better.

Ochoa: it’s not a separate doctrine, it’s an idea that helps make idea/expression more rigorous as a distinction. Cliches should no longer be protected. Tying a man to the railroad tracks was considered protected; now it’s a cliché. [RT: The first to do it should not get any monopoly over it—there was, objectively, a first work that had a person unable to make a phone call because of lack of cell service, but they should get no rights from that, an achievement made possible only by technological change.] Feist was not a 102(b) case, it was an originality case; there are original ideas that are unprotectable, like not being able to get cell service.

A: judges aren’t particularly trained in knowing it when they see it. This is an art historical question, and that’s what I’m asking for. Bring some rigor to the idea of genre conventions, just as courts try to specify merger.

Tang: it doesn’t make much sense to me to introduce rigor by having the claimant herself be the one to provide examples. It’s a prior art requirement of sorts but the CO is nowhere near as rigorous in examination as the PTO, and patent terms are much shorter. Applications are nearly rubber stamped; they are not good people to be policing the scope of protection. Rigor seems misplaced.

A: the point is not to give them a monopoly, but prior art is a useful concept. It’s not designed to prevent patentability but to present context for the new work, which would supply evidence for the court. Once you have genre change over time, and maybe Ochoa is right that this is a feature and not a bug, it becomes harder to stabilize the boundaries around the © work.

[But if you have substantial similarity as a standard, then there are a bunch of different works that might infringe—stabilizing the boundaries can only be done partially, by comparison with different works. This is Jeanne Fromer’s work on central claiming v. peripheral claiming. The proposal for comparable works isn’t even peripheral claiming, though.]

Alfred Yen, Copying in Copyright: Res Ipsa, Expert Testimony, and the Creative Mind

Infringement is like res ipsa loquitor in tort: barrel hits you on the head, the only way that happens is negligence. Dark Horse case: look at these similarities, the only way that would happen is if Katy Perry copied. The analytical problem in tort cases: Gore v. Otis Elevator: an automatic door closing like a vice bespeaks negligence/product defect, but more is requried under REL: the evidence must support a reasonable inference that the D was at fault.

What if we said: we agree that similarity bespeaks copying, but we need evidence to support a reasonable inference that D copied. If negligence is more likely than no negligence, then an inference is justified. How do we get there? Copyright: done by lay intuition and by expert testimony that similarity makes copying more likely than not. Res ipsa: done by lay intuition and expert testimony that defendant’s injury means that negligence was more likely than not. Sometimes we doubt that the jury has enough information to construct a reasonable probability space—that’s where expert testimony matters/is vital.

In REL, courts are not necessarily receptive to expert testimony. It’s not necessarily good enough for a doctor to give the opinion that injuries were caused by D’s negligence. Instead, the required basis for REL is that the medical community recognizes such a result doesn’t occur w/o negligence. Especially useful in cases where there is evidence tha the type of result experienced by P occurs in a small percentage of cases, and with no known case.

What works: establish background probability from medical literature associating injury with negligence, or even with personal experience w/the phenomenon: I have supervised 100s of these operations and seen that this untoward result is associated with this kind of negligence. Or we could alter the background by ruling out benign causes: show that instrument fails less than 1% of time, or directly examine instrument to rule out failure of instrument as cause ofdamage.

In © expert opinions: we have no such literature studying instances of surreptitious copying being able to identify this level of similarity with dishonest copying. Nor have we people who’ve personally supervised copying and found that this kind of similarity typically results from copying. It’s impossible to examine the inside of Perry’s mind. The grave risk of overestimation and handwaving, e.g., Selle v. Gibb where the expert just asserts that the striking similarities were such that they couldn’t have been written independently.

RT: base rate issue: how often do similarities of this type pop up between songs in general? We have no idea about that, but we actually could get information about it.

A: agrees that appropriate expert testimony would not be about the expert’s analysis of two texts, but of large numbers of texts. What about the next step: even given the similarities, what is the likelihood that they result from copying?

Tang: the access prong has always bothered her. In most cases, it will be accepted that there was access (these days/for popular songs). Perry swore that she never heard the song, but we still go to the substantial similarity prong because the jury gets to disbelieve her.

A: purpose is neither to criticize nor accept the present division b/t access and copying. Wants to critique treatment of similarities that could be the result of accident/innocence or could be the result of plagiaristic/wrongful copying.

Lemley: what role does REL play here? Wouldn’t it be basically the same argument even without comparison to tort? The question is whether expert testimony is about a relevant thing, so does tort comparison even matter? Relatedly: Are you comparing this to an idealized vision of what experts do in other areas? We don’t often have an expert who’s studied 1000 cases; we often have a doctor with anecdata. Maybe we need higher standards across the board.

A: going to common law doesn’t necessarily tell you something you couldn’t have found from inside ©, but the journey outside makes it easier to see. © doctrine is very favorable to bringing experts in. Looking at other areas where the problems are analytically similar but the treatment of experts is different can give insights. Re: idealized vision of experts, yes, that’s a reasonable question. But he does think that even if other kinds of experts are not as well grounded as we would hope, having a more serious discussion of where you get expertise from is worthwhile. Forensic musicologists who diagnose copying have less to stand on than the doctors, in his opinion.

Lemley: what is the alternative? Expert testimony has been viewed as relatively defense-friendly. Are you thinking courts will dismiss the cases w/o a good enough plaintiff expert? What if the alternative is just punting the whole thing to the jury?

A: that might be right, which would be consistent w/any number of other cases saying the expert can’t testify about the ultimate issue. If the focus of expert testimony was on base rates of commonality/similarity, that might actually give juries the ability to make better decisions.

Chris Buccafusco: small changes in base rates make a huge difference in REL cases: a 40 year old paper on this. If you think REL is hard to prove and Ds too often escape liability, the answer in tort liability was strict liability. If we can’t actually determine probabilities, maybe we should just stop.

A: could imagine a © system that was like patent, and we didn’t care about actual copying. [aka subconscious copying] But © has never been willing to go there.

Q: aren’t you just saying that current experts shouldn’t be allowed in under Daubert.

A: maybe that they can be qualified and render an opinion on something, but not on the thing they’re currently being allowed to tell the jury/it’s not enough for the jury to render a verdict in favor of the plaintiff.

Ochoa: This is a special case of circumstantial evidence: we don’t have direct evidence. We talk about access & probative similarity, but it’s a continuum. The ultimate case: access seems impossible, but it’s the exact same work, what then? We have an intuition about the scope of © based on our experience; the only thing an expert has that a jury doesn’t is exposure to more works in the genre.

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WIPIP 2020, Santa Clara, day 2 panel 2

Posted on February 10, 2020 by rtushnet

Panel: Copyright Fair Use

Jacob Victor, Utility-Expanding Fair Use: New technological developments: utility-enhancing fair use. Project: disaggregate it from other forms of fair use and see why fair use might not be the best mechanism for allowing these technologies to succeed. Campbell: classic one-off transformative use adding new meaning, expression, or meaning. Factor one interacts with factor four: making substitutionary market harm less likely, no harm to incentive function.

Second Circuit: uses tech to achieve the transformative purpose of improving the efficiency of delivering content, but how does that interact w/market harm? Second Circuit relied on Sony as supporting the idea that enhancing efficient access is itself transformative. Market harm: in Sony, users had authorized access to the works they were timeshifting, so there was no unreasonable encroachment on © entitlements. This falls apart in other situations, such as Fox v. TVEyes. Court found no fair use despite transformativeness that allowed users to isolate from an ocean of programming material responsive to their interests and needs. No fair use b/c of market harm: deprives Fox of revenues to which it was entitled.

Fair use is the incorrect lens for these types of technologies. Compulsory licensing might provide a more appropriate way to understand what’s happening normatively and practically. Transformative + market harm could be subjected to a similar compulsory license regime, either through judges or statutory amendment. Though rate setting is costly and unpredictable, the prospect of a compulsory license can galvanize private licensing. Might help TVEyes like service.

Xiying Tang: Is your position that courts should set damages that function as compulsory licenses, eBay-like? Or something else? TVEyes wasn’t about affording it; Fox didn’t want its content available for critique and fact-checking. So why would that help the Fox situation?

A: the former: the balancing in fair use should influence the remedy. There’s precedent for an ongoing royalty requirement. Fair use is notoriously unpredictable; Fox probably had a good sense that TVEyes wouldn’t win b/c of usurpation of licensing market. If transformativeness could play a role, that would impact Fox’s expectations, which could encourage them to retreat from restrictive demands. Better than the sq.

Annemarie Bridy: Very hard to get things through Congress without giving a bunch to rightsholders, as with the compulsory licenses for sound recordings. The compulsory license for cable performances came with the addition of the transmit clause. What is the quid pro quo here? Compulsory license didn’t save Aereo, if you consider that utility enhancing.

Victor: good question. Google Books: an example of limiting market harm analysis to discounting the harm from snippet/fact substitution. But there’s a world in which the availability of compulsory licensing shrinks fair use. [Not loving that.]

Eric Goldman: So you want judges to order compulsory licensing—does that just apply to the plaintiffs, or is it the universe of potential plaintiffs? If it’s the former but all plaintiffs would then win if they brought follow on litigation, that doesn’t work very well. And Google Books didn’t like class certification. The whole point of Google Books was the long tail that wasn’t covered by any of the lead/named plaintiffs. There’s a fit mismatch: you have to explain why the long tail’s interests would be served by compulsory licensing.

Betsy Rosenblatt: Permission and zero price are both important parts of fair use. Jane Ginsburg’s work on this is similar. In many cases a price more than zero is practically prohibitive of the utility promoting activity. Any compulsory license/ratesetting process will at least contemplate and possibly require a price higher than zero.

Victor: won’t necessarily be more than zero. In early ratesetting, CARP looked into costs of dissemination and value added, though it has stopped.

Rosenblatt: it would prevent certain kinds of entrants into the activity. Because incumbents can pay and newcomers can’t. Google maybe could pay to digitize. But anyone who wants to make a competing service would then need to be prepared to pay a compulsory license fee that had been set based on Google’s resources.

Victor: pricing variability can accommodate that. © owners should have some control over new dissemination that harms their existing markets.

Jake Linford: what would your test do with the 11th Circuit’s Cambridge Univ. Press case, which suggests that it’s fair use if there’s no license and not fair use if there is. Doesn’t your approach narrow that to zero fair use, because you’re automatically providing a market/lost licensing fee?

Victor: it’s a matter of copyright policy whether [? Maybe whether the market harm is cognizable market harm instead of just created by definition?]

Peter Yu, Can Algorithms Promote Fair Use?

Dan Burk/Julie Cohen arguments against algorithmic fair use. (1) We don’t have the technology. No “judge on a chip.” There is improvement in AI, but those are very narrow areas. Programming is ex ante, fair use is ex post. It finds new situations that are fair use. (2) Change in creative practices will be driven by the algorithms: users will internalize restraints which will then be reflected back into the system as training data—self reinforcing feedback look. (3) Tech shortcomings. Algorithmic biases. Black box (as Eric Goldman has discussed recently and others like me have noted more generally, the demographic profile of © winners differs from that of © losers; that is probably a bad feature but it’s hard to stop algorithms from picking up on it).

Distinguish between machine interpretable and non-machine interpretable fair use. Also, algorithmic copyright enforcement is already in place: Content ID: why not build more fairness in to protect consumers? Companies are trying to do that, but we should think more about how to develop the algorithm. Use big data. Factor three: amount/substantiality is amenable to quantitative and qualitative analysis. Quantitative can be done by computer/counting. Qualitative: how can a computer know what’s the heart of the work? But popular highlights by Kindle and other information about popularity exists—Netflix knows how often people pause/replay film. That is the heart of the work. [No, that’s a complete redefinition of the heart of the work. This is what Balkin and others write about as ideological drift.] The answer to the machine is in the machine: it is impossible to do manually.

We are moving from precision model to probability model, which is uncomfortable. What about change in creative practices? Need for support: we need a court; we need to make decisions about the law/machine interface. What’s the legal status of an automated fair use ruling? Algorithmic audits will be important. Sample data as well as outcomes. Finally, we need legislative reform of DMCA, CFAA, privacy issues that prevent automated systems from working.

David Simon: precision to probability move doesn’t seem right. Now we try to predict what judges will do and we have low certainty in prediction; but you are suggesting a model that produces a higher probability of being right.

A: you know for sure when you’re done with court, but relying on a computer you may not ever know for sure what a judge would do.

[RT: From a user’s perspective, Content ID is not a probability model: it lets the content through or not. YT is not the internet. The only thing they have been able to do in making Content ID more sensitive is duration. Most of the leverage comes b/c they monetize it whether it’s fair use or not. We don’t have big data about what are fair uses because we have fewer fair use cases than fair use articles in law reviews. Now we’re dealing with predictions that we have no reason to think the human coders producing the training sets will be any good at (at the very least, all the energy will be focused on who gets to write the training materials for the human coders)] Argument re: heart of the work. [No, that’s a complete redefinition of the heart of the work. This is what Balkin and others write about as ideological drift; you change what you measure.]

A: only partially agree/disagree. The way judges think about the heart of the work may be different from what readers and programmers think, but they provide us more data. [But they aren’t making the same decisions: when I highlight, it’s not b/c something is the heart of the work for © purposes.] That will provide data that can be helpful. It will be important to leave courts in place for human intervention to be available. But I wouldn’t throw out the opportunity to rely on the algorithm to help more even though it can’t replicate what courts have been deciding. A lot of fair use determinations now are made by non-judges (individual users) [I agree with that].

Rob Walker: a new transformative use won’t be in your dataset from prior transformative uses. The fact that you have a strong hand saying it’s not fair use based on this model is an almost irresistible draw. That fixes the boundaries/destroys the first factor.

A: need to use best practices, not just past cases. Need mechanism of procedure; will be difficult. But could have a certification body to identify the right tech.

Paul Heald: Fair dealing is easier to automate than fair use, and that’s going to happen under Art. 17 in the EU. Might be more productive to focus on that.

A: I want to fight the harder case. But more important, fair dealing still involves multifactor analysis. US has been pushing hard to include the factors.

Fred Yen: Legal realism monster at the side: how do we know that a fair use decision is right in the first place other than by authoritative pronouncement? We don’t really have that. What does it mean to train a system to determine fair use with such a paucity of examples? Yes, we are going to use machines to make all kinds of soft determinations, but stock trading is different from rights retention.

Stephanie Bair: One of Dan Burk’s points was that b/c we have to rely on the data/metrics we have, that changes our idea of fair use in unprincipled directions. Heart of the work is a perfect example of that: it’s not about popularity. Once you incorporate that into the algorithm, that changes our idea about what fair use is, simply because it’s the data we happen to have.

Tyler Ochoa: does this tie in w/Oracle v. Google question of judge v. jury in fair use? Jury requires larger number of deliberations. Maybe we want 12 different algorithms to debate the Q of whether this is fair use?

Sean Flynn, The International Right to Research: Beyond Marrakesh, what are the possible international exemptions? Many focus on libraries, universities, research, but research is undertheorized and so he is working on it. New frontier: digital research, data mining. Mapping the existing limits/openness. Database of user rights that looks at how open © exceptions are: open to all works, all purposes, all users. Ranked, and the US is the highest; developed countries have been more open and getting more open than lower income countries. Correlation with openness and research outputs.

Elements of computational research: you need the right to use AI tools, but more importantly you need the right to create a corpus, and that’s where an exception is needed and the fact/expression dichotomy is not enough. Once you make a corpus in one jurisdiction, can you share that with a researcher in another jurisdiction?

Outside the US, this is done through statutes. We see notable differences: about ½ the laws don’t apply to commercial uses. Brings up a host of underanalyzed issues around public/private partnerships, AI tools with a public purpose done by commercial entities like internet search/AI and climate change. Also, fair use/fair dealing standards tend to allow all uses, but some restrict the rights that are covered but are not theorized—a few apply to storage explicitly, but others don’t. Does that really mean that you can use a corpus but not maintain one? Germany says you can make a corpus available to a close family of researchers, but you can’t transfer it. Does that mean you can’t move it physically? France is also difficult to code: allows reproduction of corpus specifically, but says nothing about storage or transfer. A hodgepodge. The recommendation: be more open. Almost all exceptions apply to any user, except EU DSM one part applies only to research and heritage organizations; it’s assumed that noncommercial purpose is required. A commercial user under the DSM has many of the same rights but has to have an opt out mechanism. “Lawful access” requirement: a bunch say you can mine anything to which you have lawful access. Michael Carroll makes the case that US fair use lacks that requirement.

Towards a new international right to research: there’s not a lot of faith that the int’l environment will produce new exceptions, but there are some places for debate, including in WIPO with the broadcast treaty. Takes Rome Convention, which has a permissive exception for scientific research and the current draft of the WIPO treaty removes that permissive exception. There’s opportunity there. Also WTO digital trade is a potential area. Low-hanging fruit: apply Marrakesh excemption: if you can do it anywhere, you can do it everywhere.

Ochoa: storage is inconsistent b/c storage isn’t an exclusive right. We don’t say what happens to a reproduction in most cases. [Though storage means making multiple copies in a digital world, Ochoa notes that reproduction covers each of those copies.]

Ramsey: storage as a matter of third party liability?

RT: how clear is the definition of commerciality? Varies even in US.

A: not at all. Wants to spend time challenging that as an unhelpful limit.

Heald: a lot of constitutions have provisions on access to information; that might be worth appealing to.

Rosenblatt: what about a right to science? If this really does promote research, then a right to benefit from scientific progress is another source. It’s often used to claim less openness/more control rights, but here you could use it for more openness.

A: agree: the right to produce knowledge. And it can’t stop at borders.

Bridy: we think a lot about jurisdictional boundaries. Future TDM consortium in EU is trying to work on cross-border research.

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WIPIP 2020, Santa Clara, day 2 panel 1

Posted on February 10, 2020 by rtushnet

Thanks to Eric Goldman and the rest of Santa Clara’s team for organizing a great WIPIP. I was only able to attend the second day, unfortunately.

Christine Davik, Unregistered Complaints: Only US works (b/c of Berne) are required to register before suing. Against the registration prerequisite. Not the most appropriate way to achieve balance in light of barriers to registration for individuals/small entities. Many courts allowed applications to suffice; SCt has now rejected that. Fourth Estate: Court didn’t take into account needs of small entities, and the changes in tech that make © works flow quickly and harm happen before access to the courts. The statute should be amended. There are arguable benefits to incentivizing registration/preserving 411(a). But they’re negligible in contrast to the drawbacks associated w/the precondition. Number of applications v. number of infringement suits has little effect on the goals of registration and deposit. Statutory damages, att’y’s fees, prima facie validity would all be good enough to get those incentives. Many other independent justifications for elimination. Incongruent w/harmonization goals. Dual treatment of US/foreign works is “untenable and demoralizing.” Significant hurdles for individual artists associated w/registration, including cost, lack of knowledge, time. Need public database.

Tyler Ochoa: the real barrier is ignorance of need for registration. Large players know and register routinely. The fees are really cheap; if you file at time of publication, you might have to wait a little bit, but there is expedited review if you need it.

Davik: there is a knowledge gap. Even for knowledgeable ones, it is cost-prohibitive—even if $35 for one isn’t prohibitive, for photographs that’s a lot.

Ochoa: group registrations for photos exist.

Davik: yes, but knowledge and cost and time are still barriers.

RT: how are these people with knowledge, time and cost barriers going to get to federal court given that you seem not to want statutory damages?

Davik: somehow. They can get injunctive relief, maybe with pro bono counsel.

Ramsey: we require use before TM registration for US people, but not for foreigners. We sometimes think our approach is better as a reason not to harmonize.

Davik: TM can also give you protection without registration.

Guy Rub: why get rid of the tie between registration and filing suit but not statutory damages? Both of those are incentives to register. Why cut the baby that way?

Davik: incremental in nature; that has to be dealt with. Goes back and forth. Injunction has value in itself.

Andrew Gilden: does Fourth Estate undermine the ability to get an injunction? Delay [I suspect delay mandated by law does not count as undue delay]

Colleen Chien: CASE act interaction?

Davik: it’s important. In current form, requires registration. [I was not sure this is true, but the House version does require an application for filing the CASE Act claim and a successful registration for receiving a favorable ruling; however, statutory damages are available for otherwise untimely registered works in a CASE Act proceeding.]

[The thing I didn’t get to say was about the definitional function of registration. Especially for PGS works incorporated into useful articles, one key function of registration is to figure out what it is that the registrant is claiming, which can be vital to scope of rights.]

Garcia Encouraging Infringement

Profitable infringement: rightsholder encourages infringement to make more money. Example: video game industry. Games that are pirated may still have in game purchases that make money for the copyright owner. Piracy is better than grey market resellers who provide resold keys and generate customer service complaints, since pirates are notoriously low-maintenance. Remedial infringement.

Promotional infringement: marketing value that they couldn’t otherwise retain. Either very low-resourced creators or very high-resourced creators. On the low end, it’s publicity they couldn’t get otherwise; on the high end, it has a certain street cred they can’t get from officially produced promotional materials. Some fan videos. Not a blanket encouragement, but the possibility of a blessing.

Ramsey: a fairly old business model: practically giving away the printers, and you pay for the ink. Interesting variant.

Ben Depoorter: Enforcement discretion is a form of price discrimination, a decision about the inframarginal consumer who might not buy the game but might pay for in-game purchasers. These sound like business decisions: promotional value v. backlash. Not sure it’s preferences or idiosyncratic preferences—literature on price discrimination might be helpful.

RT: The music video examples don’t convince me that’s infringement. At the very least, Twitter/YT have licenses for the music, so figuring out who’s infringing is a lot more complicated—and the distribution isn’t infringing/the infringing act (privately editing the video on your computer before posting) isn’t what’s providing the promotional benefit.

Felix Wu: why not pirate the downloadable content as well? May be harder to do b/c of DRM. One thing that’s going on is effectively you’re getting customers to pirate the overall DRM structure which lets you sell the other stuff.

Garcia: true, apparently there are hackers working on the downloadable content problem.

Wu: but if it lives on your server it’s a lot harder.

Garcia: that’s the use of having the servers/encouraging people to log in.

Chien: reminds me of Katyal/Peñalver’s Property Outlaws [kind of the flip side?]. It’s a way to get people into the franchise.

Guy Rub: is infringement really good for them or just not that bad? [I agree that price discrimination is the answer here, which is Garcia’s answer: it’s second best given that the people aren’t going to buy the games.] Relates to fair use: do promotional uses that increase the market weigh in favor of fair use? Seventh Circuit’s substitution/complement rule suggests that they should.

Jacob Victor: Congress in the past has differentiated entire industries as promotional (no general public performance right for sound recordings).

Aaron Perzanowski: Game sellers regard used games as a threat. Not just grey market but physical copies. The used game customer has spent their money and has less to spend on downloadable content, as opposed to a person who has gotten access for free.

Jake Linford: Discrimination against particular users: if I allow it 999/1000 times, how do we characterize my unwillingness to allow the 1000th, perhaps because he is Steve King (the determined kid meme)? Estoppel, something else?

Garcia: thinking about that. Potentially causes some confusion among users.

Aman Gebru, Intellectual Property Rights in Collectively Developed Innovation: though the system has slowly stopped focusing on individuals and recognized joint inventorship and coauthorship, is it really fully recognized? Hackathons: a number of people get together in a short period to solve a social problem. Lyft and the “like” button on FB came from hackathons (internal and external).

Empirical work at early stage; can talk about normative and doctrinal. Patent, © and trade secret elements. Traditionally, hackathons were informal/passionate programmers, usually younger, anti-establishment. Increasingly, organizers are corporate (Goldman Sachs). Another related trend: they used to be open: programmer would announce a public service. Increasingly becoming exclusive. Should the law care about this trend? Are exclusive rights even needed for innovation? If rights are needed, should participants or organizers own the results?

Doctrinally, in patent joint inventorship is a big issue. Derivation/non joinder of inventions as doctrinal issues. Are hackathons “public use” or “otherwise available to the public” or experimental use? For ©, WFH is an issue. Has looked at 25 terms & conditions so far but more empirical work is to come. The T&C say “do not expect any employment relationship”—but could they be independent contractors? Collective works? You need an express agreement to say this is a commissioned work. The T&C almost all say it’s a one-off gig, unpaid, no benefits, and usually don’t have information to follow up with participants. Idea submission literature might have something to say.

Trade secrets: how does a hackathon interact with “reasonable efforts to maintain secrecy.” Confidentiality agreements seem rare. Are they guarding against IP contamination: do they require a promise not to bring in anyone else’s IP?

Eric Goldman: contamination/ownership—one possibility is that the participant’s employer is the owner, if there are valid anti moonlighting agreements. Cal. Labor Code has explicit provisions on this.

Garcia: if there’s no pay and benefits, how would the organizer bind them to any agreement at all? What’s the offer/acceptance? In collective works, the traditional justification for © in the studio/producer etc. is an anticommons issue. There may be an anticommons argument in a hackathon as well.

Gebru: it’s a low bar: the consideration could be pizza. Even fun/intellectual stimulation/line in CV. He’s open to the answer that corporatization is fine, but wants to look more at T&Cs.

Rub: Wikipedia doesn’t fit a copyright model: if 1000 people contribute 1 sentence, maybe nobody meets the authorship requirement. Maybe here too.

Rob Walker: Using “WFH” in a contract creates an employment relationship in California. Particularly after AB 50 there’s a lot of scholarship in this area to figure out how we’re divvying this up. Could be invalid contracts under current California law.

Tim McFarlin: intent does a lot of the work in ©: intent to be coauthor. Does anyone regard themselves as the author/initial owner of the work?

Rub, The Failure of the Nexus Requirement in Copyright Infringement (or Post-Sale Control in Software and Digital Goods)

Manufacturers want post-sale controls; they have property and contract tools. Contracts: no one reads them, so write what you want and it will happen. But the rights/remedies are limited. © has limited post-sale restrictions given exhaustion principles/first sale, but what remedies there are, are broad, and you can go after third parties, which is difficult in contracts. What I really want: ease of contract, remedies of ©.

Outside of software, that’s tricky. I can write a contract that says you won’t read a physical book more than three times and reading it four times is not copyright infringement. But not for software! Blizzard/Glider bot that played WoW for players automatically. Got sued. Blizzard’s theory: running the game creates copies in RAM. Users are non-owners, licensees, so the essential step defense in §117 doesn’t apply. Thus, breaching the license agreement with a bot is infringement.

Holding: conditions v. covenants. Cites the Restatement of Contracts then abandons it. For a breach to be infringement: There needs to be a nexus b/t the condition and the licensor’s exclusive rights of copyright. “Condition” is a term of art in contract, but this test has nothing to do with contract law. The nexus test fails: it’s like judging whether a particular line is longer than a particular rock is heavy.

How do you solve the problems created by this nexus test. Breached licenses in case law: failure to pay royalties, failure to attribute, no-assignment breach, mismatch in quantities, no commercial use/bots/hodgepodge. What results? Total chaos. Didn’t find a single opinion that analyzed the nexus as a requirement in depth, or that offered an independent case. A ton of courts ignore the requirement, with plaintiff friendly results. E.g., a case involving “No Bot” provision: condition v. covenant is moot where the D violated the P’s exclusive statutory right, which makes no sense. “No commercial use”: exceeding the scope of that use gives rise to © infringement claims. Failure to pay case: same analysis. About 40% of the cases. There’s a footnote in MDY saying duty to pay is a different rule/sui generis. Some might say there’s no nexus, but it’s a condition. But then subsequent cases have been all over the place. Some courts more faithfully use the tools of contract interpretation to distinguish contracts from covenants, and plaintiffs almost always win.

Real self inflicted wound. Once you took exhaustion off the table and said every time you use a computer you create a copy, creating a test is difficulty. You either need to reverse Vernor or even think about reversing MAI. If you do that, you can get a better approach. No blame to lower courts for being unable to apply MDY coherently.

If post-sale control worries us, fixing the nexus test directly will be very difficult. Come up with more specific test and/or more consistent caselaw. Use existing tools w/in contract and © to limit post-sale control. But better: reverse Vernor and let essential step defense do the work.

Felix Wu: do you have any model for what kinds of post-sale control are ok or just think they’re wrong?

Rub: still thinking. But very sympathetic to doing it under contract law, with contract remedies. It shouldn’t be different from any other product in the stream of commerce. Surviving rights include rights against deriv. works, etc. Software breaks line b/t product and service. If your product is a service, then you can control a lot on an ongoing basis.

RT: What about consumer law limiting what the contracts can do? [Rub mentions reverse engineering but Europe is more aggressive on limiting what contracts can require of consumers generally.]

Garcia: people made arguments that Glider helped disabled people play WoW.

Rub: we don’t limit contractual freedom very much. Many of the cases are B2B disputes, but Blizzard is a case where there are users in the middle.

Laura Heymann: what kinds of activity are the focus here? Consider Jacobsen v. Katzer. Continued distribution of software contrary to a requirement of the license. The stated interest in that case could only be remedied by specific performance, given the issues of attribution/freedom.

Perzanowski: but isn’t any test better than no test? Are cases outside the 9th Circuit any better? There’s some mechanism for pushing back against an overreach in MDY, right?

Rub: maybe it’s an “I know it when I see it” but different judges know different things when they see similar situations. If it’s not software, then it’s an easy case: if you make 35 physical copies instead of your contractual 30, that’s infringement. Very few cases outside the 9th deal with software; some use MDY and others use contract law, at which point the plaintiff wins. If you don’t rely on economic reality, you find a license.

Ochoa: isn’t Vernor just wrong?

Rub: yes, of course.

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