TM Scholars’ roundtable, part 6

Research Directions
Discussants:  Laura Heymann: What is the end of empirical
work? Which of our legal principles are based on assumptions or are not meant
to be connected to the Q of how consumers actually behave?  Lots of research about design remains to be
done: what aspects of design are performing the various functions we care
about, etc. 
Are there additional
costs from having trade dress protection that don’t already arise from design
protection?  V. versa.  Damages questions: if we are to have
apportionment, how shall it be done? What motivates consumers w/r/t specific
features versus entire collection of features/general reputation?
Aesthetic
functionality came up a lot.  Figuring
out how to parcel out the issues that are now grouped under that umbrella. 
Unfair competition:
relates to question of remedies. 
Graeme Dinwoodie:
Private practice/private ordering: uncovering what’s there. We might be in a
pretty good position to exploit that.
Empiricism is
fashionable, but it’s hard to engage w/that legally w/o a normative structure;
we often gloss over normative foundations b/c we think we know them but they’re
often quite contested, especially when it comes to remedies.  European remedies also deserve reexamination.  Often taught last in a rush even though they
may be the most important part of the case.
Lemley: A lot of
theoretical justifications for TM, and for defenses/limitation, are or ought to
be essentially resistant to evidence. We might want to know what people think
when they see a can of Coke appear in a movie. Almost all his students think
there’s a sponsorship relationship, but should that inform TM law?
Bone: Empirical
results are often a mess. We as scholars may take it to extremes: pick studies
that support us, or review a lot of studies but ignore their methodological
limitations.  Sounds a note of caution.  If you’re uncertain, do you default to
current rules? Reform nonetheless?
McKenna: think more
broadly about remedies and relation b/t TM and unfair competition, if remedies
are starting to divide more b/t technical TMs and others. There’s much history
to be mined.  Key structural difference
b/t technical TM and unfair competition was precisely remedies, so we should
reengage that project.
Dinwoodie: Echo Bone’s
skepticism re empirical work—additional knowledge can’t be harmful if we
understand what it does and doesn’t tell us. 
Also, empirical work is really good if you have a particular utilitarian
view of the world. Otherwise, you need other value systems.
Bone: not so much
utilitarian as consequentialist. 
Yen: we might be
horrified by what we found out about empirics.
Lemley: It doesn’t
follow that we don’t need the evidence, but we must think intelligently about
how to use that evidence. Even a nonconsequentialist would want to know the
impact of rules.
McGeveran: Empirics
doesn’t mean big data; Silbey’s qualitative work is empirical and interrogates
TM myths. Some may unravel tidy assumptions about consumer use of
info/autonomy. There’s also lots of myths that are used in normatively
undesirable ways. Take the bitter w/the sweet.
Dogan: we should see
who’s suing whom in product design: qualitative examination of cases; also the
registry.
Dinwoodie: CTM
regime may be clogged; companies are getting more sensitive to costs.
McKenna: more
evidence on clearance costs may be available. 
One woman he talked to advises clients not to change packages b/c
clearance costs are so extraordinary: need to clear TMs, designs across EC and
nationally. Interview studies about how people decide on packaging could be
very useful.
Lemley: A nominative
fair use doctrine for product configuration: communicating similarity but not
confusion.
McGeveran: would you
care if there were empirical evidence of confusion from certain nominative fair
use? I wouldn’t.
Bently: Basic
confusion level is pretty high—no matter what, some people will misattribute a
Visa ad to Mastercard.
Yen: Does that
confusion interfere w/the operation of the market?  It doesn’t seem to make people skeptical
about what they’re buying in stores.
Heymann: there are
always anecdotes of people who accidentally buy the house brand in the CVS.
[Discussion about
search attributes and the complexity of search; plus consumers may well just
have general impressions when they go to the store.]
Dogan: how would you
fix secondary meaning??
McKenna: there’s no
good standard even for word marks. We assume that, if people say, “I think they
make it b/c of that word,” there’s secondary meaning and move on.  W/design, consumers can assume that but also
not be using the design as an indicator of source.   Length
& manner of use, advertising etc. don’t answer the question, just tell you
people are familiar with the thing—not how they interpret it. Same is true for
word marks, but we’re more willing to assume that long exposure to word = treat
it as a TM.  If we actually try to do it
right, it will be so hard that we will rarely succeed/it will be very
expensive.  Litigation surveys
particularly.
Bently: accept that
there are many myths around TM.  People
think the largest word on a product must be the TM. 

McKenna: Tom Lee’s
study shows it doesn’t matter what the word is [unless it’s generic];
majorities think it’s the brand if it’s presented in a certain way on the
package.  This is to say that we really
say a term is descriptive when it would be too costly to prevent other people
from using it.

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TM/advertising question of the day, sexism edition

This ad sparked a fair amount of outrage in the UK, especially when Protein World doubled down on its insistence that only certain bodies should be seen at the beach:

“Are you beach body ready?” Protein WOrld weight loss ad

Dove responded with this ad:

Discuss.

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TM Scholars’ roundtable, part 5

Session 3: Remedies
In recent years,
trademark scholarship has focused largely on questions of subject matter and
scope, including much critical assessment of standards for infringement and dilution.  In this brief discussion, we will turn our
attention to remedies, and will consider whether creative approaches to
remedies might offer alternative means for reining in trademark law’s perceived
excesses, and/or for balancing competing interests in trademark disputes.  To this end, we will consider some of the
following questions:  What impact has the
Supreme Court’s eBay opinion had (and what impact should it have) on the
availability of injunctive relief in trademark suits?  Is it true, as many courts have held, that
the risk of permanent harm from infringement makes trademarks different from
other forms of intellectual property? 
Does it make sense to allow courts to grant limited injunctive relief
when they perceive a strong risk of confusion from a defendant’s use of a
symbol that indicates source, but has no trademark protection because of
functionality, genericism, or some other exclusionary rule (cf. Blinded
Veterans, Thermos, Singer)?  How
do/should courts measure damages in trademark cases, and how does it compare to
the approach in different areas of IP litigation (cf. the approach for design
patents)?
Introduction:  Mark Lemley: All the circuits that have ruled
on the issue have said eBay applies
to TM, so that we are to apply the four part test for injunctions preliminary
and permanent.  I don’t disagree w/idea
that eBay should apply but have
substantial concerns w/applications, particularly in 9th Cir.
Doctrinal error: they’re more guidelines to be balanced than elements to be
satisfied.  In the course of dismantling
presumption of irreparable injury, they then bar injunctions w/o such
proof.  That’s not what eBay thought it was doing. Also
problematic in TM sense; it’s hard to prove irreparable injury in a large array
of TM cases once you take away likely consumer confusion as evidence of
irreparable injury.  Evidence of actual
sales diversion = is it reparable? 
Factor 2 is
indistinguishable from 1: adequacy of remedy at law. But unlike patent/©, where
if you win you will get damages, in TM it’s not just possible but relatively
common not to get damages. Sales diversion is usually required. Profits still,
in most circuits, require willful infringement. May be changing for a kind of
dumb reason, which is the enactment of §43(c), which has now been read as
intending retroactively to change the rule in regular infringement, since
willfulness is specifically required for dilution profits.  But in many circuits you still have to show
willfulness. Combination means that you can win your TM case and be entitled
neither to an injunction nor to damages or profits b/c defendant wasn’t willful
infringer.  We could have a conversation
about whether that’s ok, but it strikes him as problematic.  TM ought to have a different spin on public
interest: consumer confusion is bad. We should count that.
Injunctions ought
not be automatic, but more common than in the wake of eBay; ought to be tightened up in favor of the TM owner.
Can you use eBay as policy lever to push back
against TM overreaching—Sandy Rierson & Peter Karol have argued for doing
that.  Prove TM infringement that
actually injures you—back door into materiality; way of distinguishing between
classic claims for confusion about source/product and confusion as to
affiliation or sponsorship.
Rebecca Tushnet
The harm stories
accepted by courts to expand TM are at long last being challenged at the remedy
stage, because showing irreparable harm requires plaintiffs to explain why
their harm is special and not sufficiently measurable to be compensable in
money damages.  This isn’t ideal, in part
because of its patchy nationwide implementation, but it’s still a positive
development and may encourage courts to have greater skepticism about expansive
harm stories in the first place.  Unlike
Lemley, I think eBay makes sense applied to TM. 
Where he sees a wrong in the failure to balance harm to the public
against the irreparability of the harm, I see a threshold that challenges the
court to ask whether the public is really being harmed in the first place.  The cases where eBay poses a serious barrier
to injunctive relief are almost never classic direct substitution cases.
Irreparable/not
compensable: easy case of distinction, where D lacks money to pay otherwise
reparable harm. Note too that if the D continues in a case declining to grant
an injunction, it likely becomes a willful infringer. I wouldn’t counsel
someone to continue under those circumstances.
Let’s assume a court
does find likely consumer confusion, in a case where a symbol is unprotectable
under TM law as such—unregistrable under §32. 
Should the court grant limited injunctive relief?  I have to admit, I’m a skeptic.  Such cases are usually at the core of classic
unfair competition—that is, they involve the same goods or services, even
though in the case of territoriality issues there may not be direct competition
or a real possibility of substitution in the ordinary sense.
Why am I a
skeptic?  A consumer rationale and a
producer rationale.  Consumers: we know
that disclaimers rarely work unless they are very carefully done.  Consumer has to be motivated to perceive the
difference.  Maybe this is an area where
disclaimers could work, but I would want empirical evidence that this is
so.  There’s one study that’s not very
promising, involving Bayer versus Bayer AG, the German entity that is
separately owned; the disclaimer there just didn’t work, and in fact was
indistinguishable from a so-called “claimer,” a statement that the two entities
were in fact related.  Essentially, as
many critics of disclaimers say, we’d be imposing the disclaimer requirement to
make ourselves feel better about the fact that consumers are going to be
confused; we can then put the blame on them for not being perceptive
enough.  Only if you view unfair
competition law as also being about commercial morality, which independently
justifies certain constraints, does the disclaimer requirement have an obvious
warrant.
Which leads me to
problem #2, the producer side, and that’s of course the strike suit.  I am skeptical that the game is worth the
candle if the only acceptable output is a disclaimer requirement.  I am skeptical that threat letters will admit
that the only thing a plaintiff in such cases can legitimately seek is a
disclaimer. Of course, in many cases whether there is no TM protection will
itself be hotly contested, so the additional encouragement to overreach
provided by an unfair competition rule is not as big of a problem as it might
otherwise be.  Further: how often do
producers make generic products, or functional products, with no other branding
but their shape or name?  The makers of
competing thermoses used their own branding, for example. 
Territoriality is
probably the situation where the risks of abuse by potential defendants are
highest—Belmora does not have attractive facts in terms of Belmora’s initial
conduct—but I think false advertising rather than more amorphous unfair
competition might well be able to address that. 
I do think that space probably should be opened up between TM and unfair
competition, but I am unconvinced that this space should be created by having
unfair competition get bigger rather than by having TM get smaller.  I know I’m kind of a one-trick pony here, but
the better-defined requirements of false advertising, especially materiality,
should at least be taken into account in considering the possible scope of an
unfair competition remedy.  This would
also allow us to think about how reasonable consumers should behave, since the
reasonable consumer standard tends to be more demanding in the false
advertising space.  Can’t always have
your cake and eat it too.
Lemley: Willfulness
when you continue conduct after determined to be illegal—patent courts have
said you’re not a willful infringer even though you know you’re infringing a
valid patent; the rationale is that we’ve baked the question of whether we
should punish you into the standard for granting relief. Maybe that’s different
b/t patent and TM because patent involves treble damages if willfulness is
shown, or maybe 2nd Circuit “you don’t need willfulness” standard
becomes dominant.
RT: I do think that
there would be a patent/TM difference, but that’s fair.
Discussant: Bill McGeveran:
reenergizing the understanding of TM adjudication as an equitable job is a
benefit of applying eBay. Judges have
been ordered to be more flexible about their job in TM.  Maybe some intermediate remedies are
inadequate, but it’s worth learning more about them.
Willfulness/damages
is happening independently from different sources—courts are not consciously
reasoning that injunctions are harder to get so damages should be easier to
get, but maybe that’s opened ground for them to reconsider what the proper
balance should be.
Lemley: From TM
owner’s perspective, can trade things off, but as we move from injunctions to
damages we lose benefit to public. Not a fair tradeoff to say you can confuse
consumers by paying the P.
McGeveran: there are
both dials—some injunction, and some damages.
Kur: We have only
one ECJ decision about fines for disrespect of injunctions. Even if infringer
is clear that it will never happen again—infringer was victim of fraud—you have
to impose fines; no leeway for national course. 
Would also apply to injunction as such. 
We see an element of compulsory licensing here.  There is a difference b/t patents, designs,
and TM—no compulsory licenses in TM are allowed.  There is the public interest. 
Disclaimers: we need
research on how well that works.  There
must be cases where companies have the same name but are separate.  Budweiser: they don’t want to coexist but we
could think about making that easier.  It
shouldn’t just be continue infringing, but it should be some requirement or
there’s a risk of conflict w/international law.
Dogan: how does this
relate to yesterday’s conversation: is there something unique about product
design that might make it more suited to alternative remedies.
RT: compulsory
licensing: but that gets back to whether an interest has truly been
invaded.  TM harm stories (very different
in Europe) just aren’t that convincing.
European approach if
there is no mark, as w/genericity: can there be prohibitory injunction?
Kur: w/unfair
competition, there’s no common answer across EU. In Germany, it would be case
by case remedy; hopes it wouldn’t be pure prohibition on use of
generic/functional feature.  Wouldn’t run
up against bar on compulsory licenses b/c it is outside of TM.
Dinwoodie: normal
remedy for slavish copying is pure prohibition.
Kur: but might not
be the case if the feature were truly functional.
Lemley: similar
issue in patent/©: what if injunction reaches noninfringing conduct?  Fits into balance of hardships factor. If
injunction shuts down use of whole product including noninfringing pieces, that’s
a reason not to grant.
Dinwoodie: In
Denmark, Lego lacks a TM in the brick. Can they get relief against slavish
imitation?
Kur: speculative;
doesn’t think it has come up.
Dinwoodie: Slavish
imitation is about commercial ethics, not consumer understanding. The case law
under 43(a) in the US is the smidgen of consumer understanding—not enough to
bar us from saying it’s generic or functional. 
The relief under 43(a) is a lite version of consumer protection, but Continental
cases may be much more driven  by
commercial ethics. When we say unfair competition, these are two different
variants.
Grynberg:
Intermediate remedies may just not work. 
Not just a problem for generic/functional.  Also true for non-source confusion,
affiliation claims. Consider possible dynamic effect: if we just stopped
protecting trade dress, consumers might change; we should consider the possibility
of standardizing a disclaimer remedy, which might not work in the near term.
Peter Karol: Though
every circuit has applied eBay, there’s
a huge variance in what that means to them, amounting to a rejection: sometimes
they cite eBay but allow courts to
presume irreparable harm (11th Cir.), and say that the ordinary
remedy is injunction (district courts). 
Normatively: a lot of whether eBay
should apply relates to what you think it was doing. Most courts do think they
have flexibility, but rubber hits the road if you think that presumptions are
suspect.  Good reasons to distinguish
patent and TM for presumption. 
Presumption of injunction for infringement could be overcome by laches,
delay, balance of harms—that was consistent w/equity, which didn’t require
chucking presumptions.
W/r/t difficulty of
getting damages, that developed b/c of Champion
Spark Plug
& similar cases which said “injunction is ordinary, so
damages should be rare.”  We’re now so
distrustful of what TM is doing (or uncertain) that you might not get anything—that’s
a bad situation.
Bone: The equitable
factors are no mystery. The first two factors are threshold, and the balance of
harms is a balance.  I for one am glad to
see it introduced in more traditional way into IP.  Maybe should make eBay context-specific. For product design, I’m with Tushnet.  No presumptions, requires proof of
irreparable injury. False negative error costs are lower—denying an injunction
isn’t that bad b/c there are other marks to distinguish the item.  Willfulness: depends on reasons why you’re
denying injunction. If denied b/c no irreparable injury/no adequate remedy at
law, then continuing to do it could be characterized as willful. 
The problem
w/consumer harm is that you can’t pay them directly. But indirectly, you might
be able to affect that by requiring D to pay P in a way that might induce
change.
Dogan: especially
for affiliation confusion, if we believe that consumer harms are illusory or
minimal.  Materiality through the back
door.
Dinwoodie: In Europe
we don’t have a common view on unfair competition.  It is optional to apply the enforcement
directive to unfair competition. British debate at the moment: patent case on
injunctions indicated it was willing to go more eBay-like in private law cases, and patent judges have indicated
their attraction to that.  In continental
Europe, injunction comes automatically from violating property-law right; there
may not be harmonization, but proportionality and other rules in the enforcement
directive have enough give to create a range of remedial options.  Hollister case, TM context, has been an
effort to use proportionality to temper relief in TM cases, particularly
parallel import cases—repackaging where infringement was only due to technical
failure to give notice to a party.
Bently: Unused
registered mark—clear sense that it would be inappropriate to give injunction
where it was now being used by a large business. We will probably be flexible
unless ECJ tells us we can’t.  Enforcement
directive makes it a bit messy b/c says injunction shall be granted except in
special circumstances.
McKenna: There’s an
enormous amount of additional work to figure out the role of empiricism. I’m
sympathetic to the need to focus on whether harms are real. Law has decided not
to do that at wholesale level: whether sponsorship confusion is harmful, for example.
Retail level is second-best. In some ways, I’m with Tushnet to say that if we’re
raising the Q at the remedial stage, b/c we have doubts about fact of empirical
harm, it’s weird to impose remedies w/o empirical basis. Why go halfway on
empiricism?  OTOH, they’re operating at
different levels. We’re accepting a generic harm story.  Disclaimers might not work, but consumers do
adapt, so there may be other things courts can do.  But we have to identify the problem we are
trying to solve when we pick a remedy. A disclaimer doesn’t work if I’m trying
to disabuse consumers of certain notions; changes in packaging might work for
other purposes [e.g., Belmora maybe?]. 
We’re doing this w/presumptions built in a world of TM law we don’t live
in any more, from when confusion really meant passing off, now applied to
enormous range. But b/c we didn’t have a real conversation about harms of other
kinds of confusion, we have to do it in nonideal circumstances.  [“[Lawyers] make their own [law], but they do
not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected
circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted
from the past.”]
McGeveran: dynamism
is an important point.  Certain types of
disclaimers—consumers could learn.  [But
what is your reason for believing that?]
Presumptions are not
all created equal: rebuttable, bursting bubble, etc.  We have choices.
Remedial modesty has
different implications for different kinds of cases.  [This is maybe one more reason to identify
classes of cases, the way Pam Samuelson has for copyright, which affects both
the confusion tests/defenses but also the remedies.]  Public values exist on other side—first sale,
comparative advertising, consumer information interests, etc.  Peripheral confusion (endorsement etc.) +
clear values on the other side = good case for no injunction, as a matter of
standard civ pro thinking.
Lemley: why isn’t
the right response then “you’re not liable”?
McGeveran: that’s
the first best solution.  Second best
would be limiting doctrines. Third is remedies, but that’s something.  Tabari: lower court enjoined use of “Lexus”
in any circumstances, though Kozinski accepts some residual likelihood of
confusion on affiliation, and makes rules about how to tailor nominative fair
use injunctions.  Can get it out of
domain name in some circumstances, but not full ban.
McKenna: if you
flunk nominative fair use, the injunction can only order you back within its
bounds. 
RT: Bone’s
suggestion for eBay being stringently
applied to product design: seems plausible, but what about descriptive terms, where
there are also error costs issues—are we working back around to technical TMs?
Might be good w/that.  Grynberg: dynamic
consumer response is great, but the problem is that response to disclaimers decays over time, so the suggested
remedy has a mismatch with the ideal result. 
If the market responds, it probably won’t be b/c of the disclaimer but
b/c of independent consumer learning.  Package
redesign is not ordinary disclaimers so there is a lot to be learned about how
that might work.  Graphic design elements
might turn out to be really important.
Tabari is a really interesting example of empiricism: nominative fair use is
very explicitly about deciding that things are nonconfusing as a matter of law,
which is to say that it’s not empirical.
Kur: It would be
useful to have access to covenants that firms sign to prevent too much
collision in the market.  Our knowledge
about how one could do that as a remedy would be improved by such learning.
Heymann: consumer
research about how consumers are trained to look for particular
features/interact more with the product. 
That could help w/specificity and tailoring.  Though standardization also produces gains on
the consumer side (e.g., nutrition labels). 
Relatedly: what the goal is for these kinds of remedies.  We have a sense of what damages are supposed
to do.  But what do we want injunctions
to do? Where is the consumer in all this?
Bently: yesterday we
were expressing doubt that product design is relied on, but now we’re
suggesting it as a remedy?
RT: I understood
myself to suggest that color on packaging might be helpful, but I wasn’t
talking about the design of the product itself [though others think that might
also be worth investigating].
McKenna:
second-best; we might think product design is rarely relied on, but at the
remedy stage the court has rejected that. 
Also, even if there’s some source designation, it’s also doing other
things, and we might want those other things available while trying to do something
about the source designation that might not be a full fix but mitigates the
harm.
TM as info
transmission system; yet admitting that there are lots of things that have nothing
to do w/info and more to do w/equitable position of parties.
Bone: Effectiveness
of disclaimer has a lot to do about whether consumers care; if disclaimer doesn’t
work, it might be b/c consumers don’t care, and aren’t harmed.  Empirical work on disclaimers: our results
would have very high variance. Some rely and some don’t. Depends on
context.  Sometimes they reduce confusion
somewhat; leaves normative question of how much reduction is worth the
candle/we will require to accept disclaimer.
Heymann: Product
liability, product warnings—the law doesn’t care much about whether they
actually work.
McGeveran: this isn’t
the only area where there’s existential angst over subjects’ reaction. Privacy
policies that no one reads.  He’s happy
with rules that make clear that the most you can require a Lexus dealer to say
is “we’re not affiliated w/Lexus.”
Yen: Costs imposed
on consumers should be considered. Injunctive remedies on D impose search costs
on consumers; the ones who learned to distinguish the brands and are happy—if you
take one brand away and make it be different from existing mark, consumers
incur search costs to find it (or to avoid it!).  If we’re interested in disclaimers, the
analogy to tort has to be careful. 
Warnings in tort are used in the context of fault.  Even though products liability is strict, the
Q is whether it’s reasonable to sell product w/ or w/o warning. If you sell
product w/reasonable warning and consumer gets hurt anyway that’s not your
problem. But TM is supposedly  not fault
based—if consumers are confused, you’re liable.
Burrell: enthusiasm
for highly fact specific injunctions was a little surprising. If you can’t predict
what injunction will look like, you’re less likely to reach settlement, which
is to be welcomed.  Similar issues exist
w/nuisance, where injunctions are delicately shaped.
Dogan: Think holistically
about ways of avoiding confusion, presale and point of sale; even highly fact
specific cases can start establishing norms allowing commercial practices to
evolve, shrinking the scope of product design trade dress. Wouldn’t require
that level of precision in every case.
McKenna:
historically unfair competition had to show intent; for technical TM we
presumed it b/c same mark/same goods. What happened? We lost sight of that.
Presumption of intent in technical TM made sense in same mark/same goods, but
doesn’t as applied to other things. 
Also, when test asks for reasonably prudent consumers, you’re asking a
normative question. So we’re willing to live with unreasonable confusion. So
analogy to tort is actually good.
Thinks that old
unfair competition cases aren’t about: this thing is functional but we’ll give
you some remedy. Rather, the cases are about: this thing is functional, but D
is making the problem of confusion worse when it doesn’t have to. It’s fault
based.  Not necessarily going to fix the
problem. But your entitlement to do X doesn’t mean you have to do Y, Z. Fault
based.
Bone: he sees an
affirmative obligation to take measures to limit confusion.
Dogan: sees
both.  The language of the courts is
affirmative obligation, but the facts show D doing something else besides using
the functional feature.

Yen: doesn’t think
that modern TM law today admits of fault as a doctrinal requirement.  We can read it in, but courts don’t say it.
If we talk about fault, we need to talk about intentional tort and
negligence.  Unreasonably incurring risk
of bad result is something courts haven’t worked out in TM.

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TM roundtable, part 4

From last time: RT:
I was thinking as Silbey was talking that you’re convincing me that TM should be a particular kind of
anticopying regime (though, as w/patent, knowledge need not be required, at
least for double identity).  And that
would argue for a greater role for registration, which I think is a desirable
outcome: it would be good to channel people into registration by making it hard
for them to win when they haven’t registered; I wrote a whole article
about that
.
 
Mid-Point
Discussants:  Robert Burrell: Using the
patent monopoly period to develop secondary meaning.  Concern over this led UK to have rules.  B/c British TM law at the time didn’t extend
to shapes, this concept was initially limited to words. Some Commonwealth countries
still have similar provisions: when product produced under patent, you can rely
on TM when you have secondary meaning; remain fully enforceable for up to 2 years
after patent expired, but then name becomes free to use.  Reflects understanding that markets can correct
and be corrected: you now have two years to rebrand your product. Australia
case: Main Indus. interpreted the current provision to apply to shapes as well.
A shape can describe a product.
 
Patents correct for
market failures. But when we take TM seriously, they have a more fundamental
effect in the establishment of a market. 
Hard to imagine a market economy if I were free to sell sugar pills as
Tylenol: more of a market-constituting effect than patents. If that’s right, it’s
not obvious why we’d prioritize patent logic over TM logic. Yet most of us
would immediately do that. B/c TM have become untethered from any rational
basis whatsoever. When we think about shape marks/trade dress, they’re almost
invariably limping TMs, with other things on the product we can use to ID
source. We don’t think that Pepsi has joined Coke when Pepsi uses a similar
bottle. Consumers can respond quite quickly when similar products emerge. Budweiser:
there are two sources, and consumers in the UK rely on other indicators of
source.  Traditional rules aren’t working
well. Distinctiveness test doesn’t work well applied to shapes, as McKenna
said.
 
Rights stacking:
another way of thinking about problems from TM perspective is precisely that it’s
almost never the case that a 3D TM works on its own.  Beebe/Fromer on running out of marks;
Australian Productivity Comm’n
doubts whether you should have more than one TM per product
, which he
thinks is extreme.  Design patents over
every little part of an object: consider accretion of rights through one system
and not just questions of channeling.
 
Michael Grynberg: Courts
are concerned for reward; other schemes might ensure that those concerns aren’t
being unmet. Why are courts so appreciative of utility patent’s ability to do
that and not design patent?  Prominence
of design patent is increasing, and this may sensitize judges to the possible
force/power of design patent.
 
Disclaimer practice
as a means of keeping fences; if you do that then you can copy.
 
Dinwoodie: what the
courts in UK have said about limping marks would invalidate a lot of
marks.  The Austl. Productivity Comm’n:
the impetus for this idea is plain packaging, b/c one of the arguments that
they made before the WTO is that you don’t need the logos b/c you still have
the words. Might be driven not by TM concerns but by other concerns.
 
Lemley: Design
patent seems a close, logical parallel to ©: trying to encourage creation of
nonfunctional thing. We do have functionality in © in various doctrines; so why
not look at that kinship.
 
Grynberg: The
existence of design patent should give TM pause about protecting the same thing—it’s
not kinship.
 
Lemley: then shouldn’t
© also give the same pause?
 
Grynberg: Fewer
cases involve that tension.  [Logo
infringements?  I’m not sure how many
noncounterfeiting real logo copying cases there are, as opposed to things like
stylized initials that probably don’t cross the © threshold.  Of course, TM lawyers are now telling clients
to use © claims to protect marks.]
 
Lemley: There are
fewer cases where courts take seriously that © ought to have some preemptive
power, except where the © has expired.
 
Dogan:
Distinctiveness protection is different from exclusivity designed to encourage
creation; so what is wrong with leveraging exclusivity for secondary meaning?
That is looking only at the values that justified creating the rights in the
first place, but other values inherent in the system as a whole call for
limitations. The reason we provide protection is to incentivize for the
ultimate benefit of the public; can’t lose sight of that value.
 
Kur: wants to use TM
principles informed by principle of undistorted competition—the existence of a
patent doesn’t mean there can’t be a TM; though she wants TM rights to be
narrow. Patent shouldn’t have automatic effect in another regime; it tells a
story about competitive needs, but it’s not an absolute argument. 
 
McKenna: for me that
doesn’t answer important questions: which kinds of competition, under what
circumstances? Can’t be derived from TM first principles. Some people are
resistant to the idea that things in the patent universe have preemptive effect
but are ok w/ expired utility patents having that effect. 
 
Kur: I don’t want to
say that all the different types of IP are unrelated to each other.  The more there is a need for using the shape,
the smaller is the scope you can grant a TM right: these are TM principles.
They help you use utility patents to figure out what rights should be granted.
TM is based on the assumption that TM is separate from what’s actually
protected and doesn’t hinder competition & the sign is in infinite supply;
the further you get from that, the more careful you have to be.  [I wonder to what extent this is really about
harm done by the fact that we have an incredibly lax
distinctiveness/distinctive character requirement.]
 
Bone: If TM did what
it was supposed to be doing and patent did too, we wouldn’t have a problem. But
we worry not just about whether TM is performing its functions but also the
effect of the practicing bar using these theories.  A good TM law can be deployed in ways that
interfere w/ policies in other areas, so we can’t silo them. Not as optimistic
as Kur seems to be that getting it right in the silos will suffice.
 
Peter Karol: Note
about timing: you see these claims when the patent expires b/c that’s when
competitors enter the market!  Will also
make 2018, when ©s begin to expire, an interesting moment.
 
Dogan: design patent
surge as direct response to SCt scaling back trade dress protection at the end
of the last century.  When those design
patents begin to expire that will be another interesting moment: more cases of
cumulation of rights than we’ve seen historically b/c of the greater volume.
Empirical question: will they invest in developing secondary meaning in these
designs?
 
McGeveran:
Coordination isn’t a matter of mere tidiness; need an independent reason to
police the boundary. Nothing wrong w/pursuing alternative legal theories of
recovery; it’s actually sometimes good. But the law does create boundary policing
mechanisms when a problem results from it, e.g., the economic loss doctrine.
Can’t end run around contracts by using tort when that undermines the actual
bargain.  Then there are exceptions to
the economic loss doctrine. Based not on borders for their own sake but for the
policy reasons we have those boxes/want people to stay within them.  If someone patented a real, Back to the
Future hoverboard, and they happen to shape it an arbitrary way, like a purple
hexagon, he’s comfortable w/saying “flying goes into the public domain, but not
shaping it like a purple hexagon.” Some of the commentary does not think
carefully enough about what an expired utility patent is evidence of.  [This point is very clear in Dinwoodie &
Janis’ TM casebook.]
 
McKenna: if you can’t
make an end run when you have an expired patent, it seems that you shouldn’t be
able to make an end run by declining to seek a patent either.
 
Silbey: patent as
evidence that it really did fit within that regime.
 
Lemley: we do feel
differently about McKenna’s point b/c of vestigial instinct that you got to
choose b/t regimes. 
 
Ornamentality might
justify further attention: if it’s not attractive, then it shouldn’t be part of
a design patent.
 
Silbey: if you shape
the utility patent to get around prior art to include the hexagon in the
hoverboard, it seems like you’re taking advantage of the patent system. But not
sure what expired design patent is evidence of that’s distinct from trade
dress. Does it have a quid pro quo the way we think of utility patents have?
 
Dinwoodie: not much
of a quid, because by selling the thing you’re disclosing its visual
experience.
 
Yen: Smells like
election of remedies.  You got an extra leg up in establishing
secondary meaning, that others don’t get.
 
Bone: but if the
system works, so what? If we think TM is double dipping, then sure, but if it’s
dealing w/harmful consumer confusion, we might say that developing secondary
meaning and communicating w/consumers is a good thing.  A question more of deployment than of
doctrine.
 
Yen: but to the
extent the thing we have a design patent for has some “useful” function, there
should be a potential limit on what TM would allow, here aesthetic, right?
 
Dogan: if I go to
market w/a chair, others can copy it before I have secondary meaning—but if I
have a design patent I can keep that from happening. Properly designed
aesthetic functionality test could figure out if people are demanding the chair
b/c of its aesthetic properties v. its popularity, but the test is not likely
to work well unless the expired design
patent is evidence of aesthetic functionality.
 
Dinwoodie: Children’s
chair case—the EU has started to develop a series of factors to figure out
whether something is iconic—taxicab case, J. Arnold discusses the role of
designs.  Dogan is asking for something
close to what they’re doing.
 
McKenna: meaningful
ornamentality requirement could allow us to say that presence of design patent
is evidence of non source related aesthetic value/function just as presence of
utility patent is evidence of non source related utilitarian functionality.

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TM roundtable, part 3

Session 2:  The Menu of Options for Design
Protection:  Where Does/Should Trademark
and Unfair Competition Law Fit?
This session will
consider product-design trade dress protection in relation to other legal
regimes that encompass design (design patents, copyright, and sui generis
design laws).  To what extent is there
overlap between these regimes?  Is such
overlap desirable?  Costly?  Are channeling doctrines appropriate and/or
available to minimize these costs?  What
doctrines do these other regimes use to filter out designs that, for one reason
or another, are inappropriate for protection? 
What are the relative virtues of these doctrines, as compared with
trademark law’s functionality doctrine? 
Does the cheerleader case give us any insight on this question, with
respect to copyright’s useful article doctrine? 
What is the relationship between trademark functionality and trade dress
functionality, both on the merits and in terms of preclusive effect?  What are the costs and benefits of a sui
generis regime, either alongside or instead of trade dress protection?
 
Introduction:  Mark McKenna: Options: Utility patent, design
patent, copyright (Varsity Brands may indicate more protection for design than
others thought). Different defenses, duration, cost to acquire.  Different claiming mechanisms: words,
pictures; ex post, ex ante. Design patents involve a specification prior to
assertion against any particular defendant; stable understanding of what it is,
as opposed to most trade dress cases which involve claiming in litigation,
strategic.  [Burstein might say that
continuance and splitting practices allow some manipulation of design patents
along these lines.]  They don’t have to
be alternatives; increasingly the case that people use many at the same time,
often for the very same features.  Notice
issues.  Using design patent to get
secondary meaning, leveraging limited for potentially infinite protection. Competition
policy can be undone by such leveraging.
 
Two views of how to
think about overlaps: Ebbing and flowing over time in which predominates.  One is strong channeling sense that certain
subject matter belongs in different buckets. 
You don’t want one regime to undermine the placement of that stuff in
the right bucket (or not being allowed in the bucket). Strong view of Sears/Compco—keep TM out of the way of
patent.  This isn’t just about features
that were, or are, or could have been protected by patent, but about keeping it
out of patent space—keeping it away from patent law, not just from patents.
That which is excluded from patent law is excluded for a reason; meant to put
things into the public domain. Sears involves
utility and design patent; Compco is
just a design patent. This is about lack of protection for unpatented designs,
not functionality. Courts then started to think of those cases in preemption
terms, not policy terms.
 
Alternative view,
pre-Traffix: overlap is itself not
especially problematic; multiple systems exist but have different advantages
and disadvantages. Lack of patent doesn’t tell you much/anything about TM. Overlap
only becomes a problem in cases of real competitive need.  “Functionality” is defined as per Morton-Norwich.  A retail determination of need, rather than
wholesale. This is a significant challenge b/c the issue is precisely what market
you should be allowed to compete in. Need richer normative view of ok kinds of
competition.
 
This view is much
less concerned with overlap; patent protection is only one factor, often not
dispositive—6th Cir. in Traffix
itself reasoned that it wouldn’t cost much to use three springs or put it in a
box. Not connected to semantic meaning of functionality—have a function—unless you
assume that the only things that have competitive value are functional.  It’s really about competitive need; narrowing
Sears/Compco to utilitarian features
rather than the other aesthetic things they were dealing with.  Once you say this is just about competitive
need, it’s easy to say that there are lots of things for which there is
competitive need, so aesthetic functionality makes just as much sense as
utilitarian functionality. But the terminology now seems totally divorced from
original semantic meaning of terms.
 
Competitive need =
aesthetic functionality becomes unconcerned w/channeling away from design
patent. Away from categorical channeling of Sears/Compco.  Design patent drops out of the picture. 
 
Post-Traffix, strong Sears/Compco view is ascendant on the utility patent side: TM
shouldn’t be in utility patent’s sandbox. 
Both protection and nonprotection decisions are meaningful decisions
about competition.  Useful features, not
patentable features; patents are a cheat sheet but ultimately we’re concerned
about utility.  No return to Sears/Compco
on the aesthetic
side; it’s all about competitive need. So there’s room for movement, especially
w/heavier use of design patent. 
Corresponded to otherwise broadening trends in TM law, so conflict is more
significant than it’s ever been.
 
Why only patent law? 
It shouldn’t be. We’ll see other thinking about TM/© interface per Dastar. 
Why only restrict TM? That’s a useful and important Q, and other systems
should consider their own boundaries. One obvious point about comfort w/utility
patent: the short term has always been a prominent part of the discussion; TM
by definition doesn’t. Infringement standards are also different—no all
elements rule/less identity required to infringe. 
 
Discussant:  Lionel Bently: Utility patents are patents in
the EU; there are also Community registered designs (25 years) and unregistered
designs (3 years automatic from when made available).  National systems also have national
registered designs, also 25 years; some have national unregistered design
right, UK’s lasts 10 years for shape/configuration of product, not surface
decoration. © is now required to be capable of being cumulative w/design
rights.  TM protection for registered
marks at Community and national level, as well as possible national unfair
competition laws that extend to copying; specifically left open in ECJ TM
judgment.
 
Functionality
historically emerged as a way to encourage people to use utility patents to
cover nonappearance aspects of design instead of design for appearance aspects.
1839: Britain first covers design, including shape/configuration of product.
Patent system existed was expensive and involved required stages.  People tried to claim utilitarian aspects
through designs.  Registrar thought they
shouldn’t be used that way. New legislation in 1842 limited the register to
ornamental design, and in 1843, to cope with demand, created new system for
utility designs.  This was literally a
channeling device.  In two stages, the
legislation introduced functionality. 
Finally turns up in 1919 as amendment to 1907 Act: features dictated by
function shouldn’t be in the design system, designed to turf them back out to
patent.  Very clearly a channeling device
to get things into patent law, b/c of registered design system. 
 
Whether that
continues into the European image, he’s not sure.
 
What about TM? For
that, he doesn’t buy this channeling stuff. It’s TM policy: ordinary word marks
provide information benefits when protected, and there are no harms b/c taking
the words doesn’t do any harm.  Once you move
to product features, there is depletion/harm that then has to be balanced.  In that case, you might not want the
functionality test to be the same as between design and TM.
 
Design is about new
appearances for products. People motivated to produce new technical effect aren’t
motivated to produce new appearance. 
This test accords well w/policy justifications for designs, though
intent is a messy test.  IP systems apart
from TM are largely designed to produce intentional behavior/investment.  So focusing on people’s intentions doesn’t
seem necessarily inappropriate.  So I’d
have a broad notion of design functionality, and an even broader notion of TM
functionality.  I’ve always liked the
standard that something is problematic as a TM where it confers any significant
non-reputation-related advantage on the claimant. 
 
Dogan: I don’t think
that’s very broad.
 
McKenna: Agree.
 
Dogan: as long as
there are alternatives that work plausibly well in the marketplace, feature
protection is allowed. Quite generous for protection, relative to what we have
now for features that make product work.
 
Lemley: disagree as
practical matter. Narrow limiting piece: essential to production of
article.  Or affects cost/quality. I
understand Bently’s test to be an effort to adapt “cost or quality” into the
aesthetic framework.
 
McGeveran: a
nonutilitarian gloss.
 
Dogan: relative to
what?
 
Lemley: Significant
is the question; but that’s implicitly there anywhere. You could make the
argument that the Coke can is better than non-Coke b/c people like the color
red; that’s not going to fly. The key is the non-reputation-related
disadvantage, to distinguish b/t I want this b/c it looks nice and b/c I like
the TM owner.
 
Dinwoodie:
channeling part of Inwood is the first part. 
Qualitex: strange “that is” language between Inwood and substantial
non-reputation-related disadvantage; that can be very broad if you read it that
way.
 
Dogan: if we think channeling
has a value, how we think about design patents: Sympathetic to channeling in
utility patents. Post-Traffix, courts
have taken a pretty good approach; no evidence that there’ve been disastrous
cases.  In design that’s harder, b/c if
we accept design TMs at all, then there’s overlap by definition. McKenna came
around to election; that’s the only real alternative if we want some
separation/deference.  If we want design
patent to incentivize design, then we have to have the same quid pro quo: after
a time, it’s free to the public. That does lead her to election. If you take
advantage of that system, we should take at face value your claim that your
design has value, intrinsically, which then gets us to all these designs
presumptively meeting Bently’s standard. 
 
Bone: can be useful
to separate aesthetic value from generous view of secondary meaning. Source
identification can be part of what it makes the thing aesthetically attractive.
We’re not sure exactly what we’re channeling and where.  Sears/Compco dividing the world won’t work
because there are other policies that will be stomped on. Trade secret: there
are nonincentive reasons to have trade secret law. Policies that patent doesn’t
take account of that we nonetheless want to operate in this domain, and that
gets us to TM.  We may question whether
TM policy is effected by giving protection in this regime, but it at least
could do so.  Rule-like protection might
be the best balance, but we have to argue that.
 
Kur: History of
European design legislation—she was involved. 
There was definitely no channeling purpose at all, at least for current
design legislation.  It was only to
incentivize product diversification, not aesthetics.  Aesthetic is the wrong term, except very
broadly—capacity to communicate difference from what is already there.  [Making me even more confused about why
Europeans insist TM has a product differentiation function.]  Unless feature is strictly necessary for
function, protection is allowed. 
Practice has developed differently. 
Inner logic: there is no reason to exclude anything other than mandatory
shapes.
 
RT: Dogan says: Your
claim by registering design is that your design has value: is that what you’re
claiming? Why not: don’t copy my stuff? 
An anticopying norm as described by Kur for Germany in the last session doesn’t
have to have an incentive benefit, and it’s also consistent with her account of
European design.  Maybe it’s just a
private reward. Though I think that is  a
bad idea, but coherent.
 
My preferred version
of the aesthetic functionality test is a counterfactual: would the element have
marketplace value if the plaintiff didn’t exist? Makes sense of most cases,
though you then need another explanation for why Betty Boop case should come
out as a D victory; also allows you to do defendant side functionality as in
Louboutin, where there’s an obvious reason to have an all-red shoe even in a
world without Louboutin: the counterfactual test allows you to remove the “reputation
related advantage” and we’re trying to see whether there’s any advantage left
after that’s done.
 
Dinwoodie: throw Dastar into functionality mix. 
 
McKenna: skeptical
that courts are willing to pull the trigger on aesthetic functionality.  If we had a more limited design patent
regime, there’d be less overlap, but now you can get a design patent on a logo
on a screen.
 
McGeveran: Not sure
there’s much disagreement in the room: not a pure channeling v. non-channeling
divide.  Channeling is something courts
use as a heuristic to reach policy-driven outcomes in a quicker way.  Bently’s history is one reason channeling
occurs: institutional design/maneuvering around a bureaucracy.  Another is the heuristic.
 
Yen: What if some
people might like Gs on their bags even if Gucci didn’t exist, but very few?
How would that work?
 
RT: I think that’s
incorporated in substantial non-reputation related dis/advantage.  Higher level of abstraction can be used for
Louboutin: people predictably like single-color shoes.
 
McKenna: Justin
Hughes argues that a preexisting aesthetic preference is required for aesthetic
functionality—in many cases the P creates the demand/aesthetic preference.  [I think this is similar to but not as
helpful as the counterfactual, b/c we can’t easily figure out what preferences
were, and also b/c it’s possible that a few people would prefer, say, linked Gs
on their luggage even before Gucci launched, b/c their intials are G.]
 
McGeveran:
attractive is a lot harder to measure than useful in other ways. 
 
Dogan: most product
designs are intended to be attractive in some ways. Gucci may be a good example
of not being intended to be attractive: both to reflect source and to be attractive.  [This might be an example of distinguishing
b/t the word/symbol mark and the design
of a Gucci bag, which is probably, yes, designed to be attractive—but maybe
product design generally just shouldn’t be protected.]
 
McGeveran:
Green-gold pukey color in Qualitex likely
wasn’t chosen for attractiveness, but rather for distinctiveness.  [Though might be different for clothing,
where color plays a different role—it would make sense to have different
amounts of functionality in different markets.]
 
Dogan: need to know
how to measure value and in what market even under counterfactual test. Red
sole w/contrasting upper might make high heeled shoes look sexier. We struggle
w/this question of distinguishing visual features of product appearance when
those should be protected v. free for all.
 
Jessica Silbey: election
as a matter of client counseling.  It’s a
common strategy to file for TM, design patent, utility patent together all the
time. If you’re going to be penalized for not doing this when you start out by
being deemed to have waived the protections you didn’t seek, that will
encourage overprotection at the client level.
 
If we start from the
idea that TM is not an anticopying regime, that concurrent uses are common—what
would concurrent trade dress uses look like the way we have concurrent uses of
protected TM words?  For aesthetic
functionality, you should be able to copy aesthetic features like Burberry
plaid, just as we imagine concurrent uses w/word marks, protected in separate
markets, but it’s hard to do that with aesthetic functionality.  So if you start by saying TM isn’t
anticopying, both product design protection and aesthetic functionality (nonetheless?-
stop copying in many circumstances.
 
Alex Roberts: can we
fold registration into this discussion? 
Expectation is that litigation and registration scope would match up,
though we know that’s not true in practice, especially w/r/t trade dress.
 
Kur: once the regime
itself is flawed, the threshold doesn’t correspond to the contents of the
regime, then we have a big problem even in the absence of overlaps. 
 
Max Planck center
proposed to abolish our equivalent of aesthetic functionality; it doesn’t
work.  We protect every little difference
as design, so it became nonsensical. Need another reason to not protect shapes
that provide inherent value, and we don’t have clear policies about why certain
things shouldn’t be protected.  Worse, we
make the assessment at the registration stage: whether it’s so appealing to the
public that it shouldn’t be protected—they may be unable to do that b/c it may
not be in use yet! And once the decision 
has been made, it’s there forever b/c acquired distinctiveness can’t
trump it.  Yet fashion is such that
people may like some things now and not even care for it in 10 years. 

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Re:Create event in DC, June 20

On June 20, the Re:Create
Coalition will host “How It Works: Understanding Copyright Law in the New
Creative Economy.”  The internet powers
the local and national economy, enabling more than $8 trillion in e-commerce
each year. At a time when creativity is flourishing, the panel of policy
experts and creators will examine the rise of the new creative economy and how
copyright law can strike the right balance in order to promote innovation and
economic growth, rather than stifle it.
 
 
DATE:                                    Monday, June
20, 2016
 
TIME:                         1PM – 2:30PM (lunch
will be served)
 
LOCATION:               Capitol Visitors Center
                                    Congressional
Meeting Room South
                                    First Street
NE
                                    Washington,
DC
 
Panel Participants: Betsy
Rosenblatt, Legal Director, Organization for Transformative Works
 
Katie Oyama, Senior
Policy Counsel, Google
 
Becky “Boop” Prince,
YouTube CeWEBrity and Internet News Analyst
 
Alex Feerst, Corporate
Counsel, Medium
 
Josh Lamel
(Moderator), Executive Director, Re:Create Coalition
 

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TM roundtable, part 2

Session 1, cont’d
Mid-Point
Discussants:  Mark Janis: The
functionality doctrine is not good at doing the work we’re expecting it to do,
both in trade dress and design patents. 
Recurrent difficulties: tendency for decisionmakers to revert to de
facto functionality rather than de jure functionality, jumping from one to
another.  Trouble, including w/word marks
and design patents, trying to analyze overall visual impression by necessarily
considering individual features—may be unsolvable no matter how elaborate a
functionality doctrine we have. 
 
What would have
happened without functionality in Traffix?  There would’ve been a lot more discussion of
distinctiveness.  Would the P really have
been able to establish likely confusion? Discussion suggested that courts haven’t
been good at keeping marks thin, but when I read the few product configuration cases
that get this far, I’m surprised that the courts are even as good as they are
when dealing w/these cases.  Cases say:
mere existence of labeling kills confusion. Doesn’t work for post sale
confusion, but there’s lawyering to be done around that.  Versa v. Bifold goes through a lot of these
limitations.  In the same case, the court
is willing to do a kind of a scope/functionality analysis; it says that there
will be similarities in trade dress, b/c defendant had to use those elements;
discount those in comparing similarity of marks. Are courts good at that? He
doesn’t know, but it’s striking that it showed up.  Just doesn’t believe that Traffix court would have found
confusion.  [Though I think that it would
have been more like Louboutin, a
result without a useful explanation.]
 
Has more faith in
other limiting doctrines/moves than in functionality.
 
Alternative history:
is there a role for MDI to claim unfair competition, citing Blinded Veterans?  How differently would any of these scenarios
have ended up?  [This is the point I was
trying to make about Belmora: why
wouldn’t you have a claim against a functional configuration under that
reasoning?  And is that a good idea?  I think not.]
 
Paul Gugliuzza: we
first have to figure out what TM’s internal policies are, which is fascinating
to a person whose first interests are in patent, which is about invention.  Bone named many different policies served by
TM generally and functionality specifically: protecting consumers, encouraging
info transmission, deterring unfair competition, channeling IP protection,
preserving the public domain.
 
Don’t lose sight of
basic doctrinal question: is this the kind of thing consumers would normally
look for to ID source? Color of Tide bottle, yes; arrangement of springs on
road sign, no.  But what about difficult
cases?  McGeveran point: power of
channeling turns on the gravitas of the alternative regime: 1A and patent law
are charismatic/effective.  Vague
conceptions of competitive need don’t have same gravitas [which is interesting
given the pull of the free market in antitrust—cf. the lost antitrust critique
of TM—shades of the libertarian divide over what IP is, property or government
regulation].  Social value of TM
protection given existence of other source indicators; extending TM to even
arguably functional attributes has high social costs—in terrorem effect of
threatened litigation, so marginal benefits aren’t worth the costs.
 
Focusing on marginal
costs/benefits might be helpful mode of analysis.
 
Dogan: so what
doctrinal tools are best suited for outing bad motivations, cutting off these
suits, and reshaping norms so that potential claimants don’t feel entitled to
send off a C&D? Waiting for likely confusion is, as many have argued over
the years, waiting too long.  Doesn’t
allow for early resolution.
 
McKenna:
underreported issue w/relying on distinctiveness: many of these features have a
dual existence; they have some distinctiveness so there is a genuine
conflict.  It is not binary.  There are some cases that seem to be imposing
a higher standard for secondary meaning, but the tests we have for secondary
meaning suck in the context of product design, even if they make sense for word
marks. Used for a long time/advertised: doesn’t tell you much about how
consumers in fact understand that feature, especially in the absence of a
materiality requirement. Secondary meaning won’t give you real insight, not
even taking into account labeling and other ways consumers might get source
info.
 
Many cases finding
no distinctiveness/likely confusion are also inflected by previous
functionality finding; wonders whether they’d say the same things if they didn’t
have a functionality finding.
 
Dogan: Long duration
doesn’t mean secondary meaning for features; courts might be sympathetic to that
point; we could do some work there. [TTAB knows this well.]
 
McKenna: different
courts do functionality to avoid difficult distinctiveness questions v.
distinctiveness to avoid difficult functionality questions.
 
Lemley: the closer
you get to a doctrine, the worse it looks. Cautionary tale w/r/t: functionality
is bad; other doctrines can take care of the problem.  Design patent has essentially abolished
functionality and the gap has not been filled by other doctrines.
 
Grynberg: functionality
has virtue of being somewhat isolated from other doctrines, especially
doctrines developed for word marks.  Louboutin was an example of the court
deciding not to do law; a district court can’t do that. The alternative path
doesn’t just have to take into account whether the judicial heart is in the
right place but whether courts can make law/parties can rely on predictions.
 
Bone: Traffix is an
example where the SCt feared mistakes about likely confusion by other courts,
so decided to use functionality.
 
Dogan: points out
that her students often say that confusion should have been found in Louboutin. These are empirical
questions. [But do they have to be?]
 
Leah Chan Grinvald: Whose
perspective it is matters.  Clash of
experts, fight over survey design.  No
real study about trade dress compared to Tom Lee et al.’s study of how words
are perceived (or not perceived) as marks. 
Courts haven’t really been grappling with the body of consumers: which
consumers are we going to care about? Non-English-speaking consumers?  Near-sighted consumers who need to see designs
across the room?  Plaintiffs’ motivations:
INTA experience is that there are definitely a lot of strike suits.
 
Robert Burrell:
Difficulties we have with nonuse.  We
have no idea how to apply these rules w/r/t shape marks.  What is a “use” of a shape mark in a nonuse
context?  Use as a badge of origin?
 
Dividing genuine
attempts to prevent confusion v. illegitimate attempts to prevent competition
can’t be done: they’re all attempts to carve out space for oneself in the
market and we have to be honest about that.
 
Paul Karol: Traffix
has a huge effect on rejections at the PTO; one of the hardest rejections to get
around.  After Traffix, they require you
to disclose all patents you have that relate to the design, then explain to
examiner what a claim covers; that’s much more powerful than distinctiveness
under §2(f).  Trade dress for Christmas
tree ornament: had no problem w/distinctiveness, but real problem
w/functionality.
 
Dinwoodie: How would
you assess confusion w/o functionality? Design law in Europe involving little
holders for fruit, which weren’t entirely functional.  Infringement inquiry gives tremendous weight
to functionality of design—a scope determination.  It may have a role not just as a doctrine
itself but as part of the overall analytical process: makes courts think about
the issues that they should consider. 
Psychological impact is important.
 
Kur: European court
held that a particular means of manufacture was not covered by the exception
for TM protection for features required to produce a particular result, because
the resulting chocolate product didn’t
have anything required to produce a particular result. This was bad! Boils down
to overarching competitive aspects. 
 
Unfair competition
law: European POV is that’s extremely important. There’s little happening in
functionality w/TMs, but in Germany courts are going extremely hard in
protecting very functional products under unfair competition.  Lapsed patent for extension cord: court said
it was in the public domain, but you still shouldn’t make them identical—you have
to keep your distance. Even stringency in TM law doesn’t prevent these claims
from coming back to life. 
 
Heymann: need for
first principles about what motivates parties, and need for TM to help or push
back. Students who thought Louboutin should win: they’re using the contrasting
outsoles to evaluate quality of shoe. That does happen; Louboutin cares about
that reputational effect, even though these students aren’t necessarily
purchasers of the shoes.  Many of these
issues are much more about dilution. 
Wanting to protect uniqueness of design. If that’s the motivation: TM
law should not be about that. Why is that? 
We need to explain. 
 
Dogan: Real passing
off does happen, maybe not in so many trade dress cases. Middle ground,
Louboutin, where product feature being copied isn’t just being copied as a
neutral product feature but also reflects source identification of some sort;
motivation is to protect reputation, not just product market—borrowing reputation,
whether in confusing or nonconfusing way. [But YSL made three primary-colored
outfits; the choice of color really had no relation to Louboutin’s reputation,
which we can tell b/c they did all three primary colors, so saying “copying” is
already to place Louboutin too far on the spectrum.]
 
Lemley: We have
different treatments of functionality. Sometimes we have a full exclusion from
protection—© and TM in some circumstances. 
TM is closest w/expired utility patents. Then we have a threshold
measure: you have to reach some amount of nonfunctionality to get over the full
exclusion, and then something else happens, which could be filtering the rest;
he thinks of TM as doing this—secondary meaning hurdle which was raised
artificially for product configuration, and then we filter out.  Design patent: get protection for even
functional features.  Useful to think
about not just what is our legal rule but how are we implementing it: at
retail/issue by issue, or categorical rule, or something by in between.
 
Dogan: courts have
said that design patent nonfunctionality
àTM nonfunctionality, which is terrifying.
[Except in Apple v. Samsung, sigh.]
 
Bone: We could
require surveys/get rid of circumstantial evidence to show secondary meaning in
trade dress cases, and would have to be really tight on the survey—not just
recognition, but reliance.
 
Dinwoodie: that is
what happened with Nestle in the UK, w/surveys showing 90% recognition.
 
McGeveran: lack of
recognition should be enough to kill it.
 
Dogan: expense of
survey might also have to be borne by D.
 
Bone: we keep
focusing on competition, but there are also downstream innovation policies to
be served.  Things like web-based
innovation; pizza restaurant design. 
Labeling makes sense, but prohibiting copying doesn’t.  Louboutin: you’d be a nut to think that a red
sole in a non-Louboutin store was anything but competition; it’s all about
post-sale confusion and prestige. Not source identification, but a different
kind of reputation.
 
McKenna: Kur’s example
of the utility cord [oops, I may have misheard, maybe it was a bolt]: there was
no suggestion that the shape conferred any particular advantages.  So the reaction
that there should be freedom to copy has to be based on the idea that patent
law frees people to copy when the patent expires. The question is precisely “what
kind of competition are we allowed to have?” “Am I allowed to compete on the
basis of color?” The market is defined by what the law says.
 
McGeveran: As
w/speech cases, plaintiff and defendant are not similarly situated. Anything
that requires D to respond in kind pressures settlement that keeps D out of the
market. That’s anticonsumer in the end. Patent has figured out things TM hasn’t
about utility.
 
Dinwoodie: Patent’s
utility standard is pretty low, though.  ©
has had to struggle more w/challenges of functionality through useful articles
etc., partly b/c it’s not meant to be its main area.
 
McGeveran: if it’s
accurately descriptive to say there’s a low utility threshold, nonpatentability
strengthens the argument that if you can’t even get patent protection, why
would we give protection w/no term to you here? 
[I think the larger point is about what utility is; whatever it is, patent protects things/features that have it
and TM does not.]
 
Kur: shapes aren’t
patented—not utility patents.  Patents
protect technical teaching, though that might be manifested in the shape.  Sometimes the shape may be accidental.  We need to know the technical teaching and
how the shape relates to/expresses the technical idea that has become free to
use when the patent expires.  Germany: if
there are other ways to do something, others can’t make exact copies. Courts
are thinking that imitation is only allowed if there is a real need. Whereas we
are interested in freedom to copy, entitlement to produce.
 
McKenna: we still
need to answer the question of whether you want competition in the market for
the function, or competition in the market for this unpatented bolt.
 
Kur: yes, and
Germany answered this question.
 
Dinwoodie: does an
expired patent allow you to practice the invention, or practice the invention
using that shape?
 
RT: I misunderstood
McGeveran’s initial point.  One reason to
have functionality: functionality means that risks of suing are higher for P
b/c it might suffer total loss of rights. 
So if we’re concerned about deterring bad suits, functionality may be
useful as a separate doctrine.  And this
poses issues w/crafting the appropriate unfair competition regime.  If you can always use unfair competition to
threaten suit regardless, then the risks of suit to P go down.  Also one point we haven’t discussed: Lanham
Act amendment requiring a trade dress P to show nonfunctionality under §43(a):
absolute bar (it doesn’t outright say so, but all cases that I have found have
assumed that this is the rule) or just something that then factors into the
§43(a) analysis?  What about for dilution
under §43(c), which has a similar provision? 
One way to think about this is that Congress, having lost the
understanding that TM and unfair competition were different things, grafted
this provision onto the Lanham Act, the earlier elements of which were drafted
with the understanding that §43(a)/unfair competition was different. 
 
McKenna: After
Traffix, courts are generally just looking for a relationship to the patent;
without that, you go back to the alternative designs test that SCt rejected.
 
Dinwoodie: you could
look at alternative designs to figure out what the patent’s negative space was,
though. There is a test somewhere between functionality trumps always and
functionality never trumps, as w/aesthetic functionality.

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TM Scholars’ Roundtable, part one

Trademark Scholars’
Roundtable, Boston University
 
Session 1:  Product Design Protection and Trademark First
Principles
Given what we know
about the costs and benefits of using trademark/unfair competition law to
protect product design, is the whole enterprise worth the candle?  Why, or why not?  How does design protection fit with the
competing normative conceptions of trademark law?  What does each of these models suggest about
appropriate limits (thinking strictly about “intrinsic” – i.e.,
trademark-specific – concerns)?  In other
words, what would trademark law’s own intrinsic goals tell us about whether to
protect product design, and if so, with what exclusions or limitations?  Is functionality – either TrafFix-type or
aesthetic – up to the task?  Given that
courts treat functionality as a factual question, is there any viable strategy
or policy proposal to resolve functionality issues earlier in litigation?  What is the role of error costs in assessing
trade dress protection for product design? 
If we are concerned about negative effects, what particular effects do
we find most worrisome?  Can we think of
case studies that offer compelling demonstrations of these costs, or empirical
work that might help?
 
Introduction:  Bob Bone: Design protection/functionality as
internal constraint on TM, or external? Thinks about this as a tension that
needs balance: pro-TM protection policies v. preserving robust competition in
product market and preserving patent/©’s public domain, as well as 1A
issues.  Can you characterize TM policies
themselves as providing those limits? 
What level of generality should you use? 
If you say TM is for promoting competition, then functionality would be
internal.  But doesn’t give you traction
on concrete/specific questions of defining functionality, b/c we lack metric
for resolving two kinds of competition. 
Same with the idea of unfair competition: need to sort within that
category. 
 
Another approach:
how often does product design serve as a true source identifier?  Really using design as an indicator of hidden attributes, not a design as
indicator that it has a design I like—qualities that aren’t evident on
inspection. That’s what real TM meaning is: a shortcut.  Not clear that people often approach design
in that way.  If they merely say “X
design indicates Y source and I like X design,” they are unlikely to care
(w/exception of status goods, which may require different analysis).  [This may provide another way to explain why
the Sleptone cases should be defense victories. 
There are no hidden qualities when you claim that the trade dress is the
manner of presentation of music files.]
 
Dynamism: if you don’t
protect designs under TM, producers will switch to word marks and consumers
will learn to rely on the word marks; confusion might exist in the transition
but it would not likely persist. Might be worth bearing that transition cost.
 
Determining and
balancing countervailing policies: I don’t think there’s a right to copy, but
there is a public domain policy. It’s not enough to say public domain is good;
need to know why.  Idea of channeling
collapses into other policy goals, which usually collapse into robust
competition.
 
In TM law, we tend
to deal with these Qs in an all or nothing way. 
If functional, no protection; if generic, not protectable except for
against passing off/other acts.  Problem
that functionality addresses also exists in © and maybe in patent; the linkage
problem. You have something that would ordinarily be protected, but used in a
context you want to promote.  Linkage problem
when Y (context) needs X (usually protectable). 
That’s merger in ©.  We also use
thin ©/adjust the infringement standard; we also have fair use; remedies such
as compulsory licensing.  Odd to require
all or nothing.
 
Word marks can also
be functional; not useful to deal with this by asking whether a symbol is
functional for P or D.  Ask what are the
policy reasons why we want this activity to happen.  [It seems to me this is contrary to Bone’s
usually justified focus on administrative costs.] 
 
Functionality has
lots of applications where people just want the surface appearance of the mark—the
features have consumption value for the product (can be word marks, or design).
If so, then this isn’t just about product design.
 
Discussant:  Annette Kur: Continental European background,
while you are embedded in US doctrines. But we are here talking about
fundamentals.  Is the game worth the
candle?  Maybe not—the EU has extremely
generous design protection and unfair competition laws—we could do without
formal shape marks protection. What we need is some sort of protection against
imitation of shapes when they actually give a message about commercial origin
and that’s misused so consumers are misled. That’s about info transmission,
necessary for competition, but no formal TM protection required.

But we have it, so what do we do with it. 
If appearance should be free to public after a certain time, then TM
protection for shapes prevents that. 
Functionality is supposed to help us out of that dilemma.  Bone is right to think that functionality is
not a separate clear cut doctrine; it’s not an aim in itself but meant to
maintain competition goals. Can go beyond shapes.  In EU, until recently functionality was just
shapes; now opened up to other characteristics such as color.
 
If an item serves a
true TM function, it should be protected even if there was design protection
first.  Or, if TM protection post-design
protection doesn’t serve competition, then no sign of this type should be
protected whether or not it received design protection before. It’s not the
overlap that matters.  Competitive
interests need to be looked at throughout the life of the TM/design.
 
Autodesk case: Court
of Justice said that once a mark is registered, you can no longer invoke
competition as a reason to influence decisions on likely confusion—only look at
consumer reactions (or what the court thinks consumers think) regardless of the
impact of protecting the mark.  Bad idea!
 
RT on Bone: It seems
to me this idea of going back to fundamental policies for each determination is
contrary to Bone’s usually justified focus on administrative costs.  Rules are much, much cheaper and when you
talk about the costs and deterrent effects of threatened litigation in TM in
particular, that seems important. 
Blinded Veterans, Belmora—these increase the costs of knowing what you
can do.
 
Mark Lemley:  Intermediate approaches in general may not be
a bad idea, but worries that we’re not very good with “you’re in the door, but
only a little bit, so you get very narrow rights.” Once we say you’re in the door,
you get almost carte blanche when it comes to infringement in practice.
Structured ways of balancing help. Samara: doesn’t disallow protection forever,
but requires a certain threshold to be crossed.
 
Once you’re in the
door, we should think about limiting doctrines other than gatekeeping. Bone
said: law’s not very good at balancing two kinds of competition. But we do that
in other circumstances, such as antitrust/IP intersection. Actavis, 2013, takes
approach not of avoiding overlap but that you have to have a robust
conversation b/t these two visions of competition to give these their due.
 
Graeme Dinwoodie:
Limits from source identification/distinctiveness test is useful idea.  European idea: Nestle case, now on appeal to
Court of Appeal: it’s not enough that consumers recognize it, they have to rely
on it.  Thinks English courts are wrong
about that, but it’s the passing off test for decades. That might be
normatively correct, but we’ll see what the court of appeal does.
 
Using policy levers:
yes, we should think about that—defenses, filters, remedies, thin marks?  Wallace in the 2d Cir.; Louboutin to some extent endorses that approach of thin marks.
Europe has a problem w/that b/c we haven’t recognized that something might have
just gotten over the line of protectability when we later analyze its
scope.   
 
In Europe we don’t
need as much shape protection b/c design laws are so expansive.  Also expansive unfair competition laws;
US  might not have either of those.
 
Why worry about
overlaps/channeling?  The reality is that
everything’s a potential design, including words.  The instinct of separateness comes from the
early 20th c. when the different regimes were more confined. 
 
The idea that we
have clarity from the functionality rules is perhaps overstated.  Though if you think that no product design
will survive, maybe that would be clear; but he wouldn’t say that functionality
has had rule-like characteristics.  [I
meant more what happened after the functionality determination had been made,
but fair point!]
 
Mark McKenna: If you
have high functionality threshold, and high secondary meaning standard, and
want to carefully confine scope, and we think that very few marks will pass
through, isn’t that an extraordinary cost to the system, especially given that
many such marks will not, as Bone says, signal hidden features—isn’t that just
not worth it?  Why not just do unfair
competition/labeling and packaging are the only possible remedies and prospects
of attack.  © has a variety of doctrines
and doesn’t do them well, so doesn’t think we should borrow from that.
 
Functionality
applied to words gets detached from our usual considerations; could be thought
to also be descriptiveness/genericity/comparative advertising; should we just
have a bucket entitled “competitive needs”? Thinks not because there are
different concerns for different categories.
 
Mike Grynberg:
Plenty of examples where courts see design as performing TM function in
nebulous sense and give it thick protection—Maker’s Mark case is the same year
as Louboutin; it was clear that there
was not going to be confusion b/t a bottle of Jose Cuervo tequila and a bottle
of Maker’s Mark, but the court decided to focus not on source confusion but on
affiliation.  Doctrinal tools are being
deployed to exclude all the distinguishing context b/t uses.
 
Bone: Implementation
of optimal balance is a different Q; he’s all for rules.  Marks can be thin in a variety of ways—Louboutin is one way. You can also make
a thin mark with a higher confusion requirement or a harm requirement. [Double
identity as thin but strong?]  Why have
so many buckets—maybe the old story about the difference b/t technical TM
infringement and unfair competition is some explanation; genericity had to
develop in technical TM context, and functionality in unfair competition; only
now have they united in the underlying cause of action and we see they serve a
common function.
 
Kur: Would like to
see study about costs of protecting different elements of an article.  All rights are monitored, litigated, searched
separately—this must be generating a lot of costs w/o market justification.
 
Lemley: we could
imagine a descriptive fair use concept: I’m using this shape descriptively,
which is sensible b/c we’ve already said that designs are descriptive by
definition.
 
Stacey Dogan: we don’t
call it market definition in TM, but we talk about need for access to product
features to compete in a market. We are sympathetic as a group of the notion
for broad access; courts have opposite instinct, as long as there is some
infection of the brand value in what the defendant is trying to copy, they’re
unsympathetic.  You have to demonstrate
as D that the thing you’re trying to copy is completely unrelated to reputation
of TM holder to show competitive need, at least in aesthetic
functionality.  Would like to talk about
level of generality in market definition. Could we get some traction w/courts
there?
 
Dinwoodie: if we
were willing to think about more flexibility in defenses and remedies, maybe we’d
worry less about intake issues.  Devices
that allow you to address the problem: Europe has both descriptive mark and
indistinctive mark as concepts, and we should allow descriptive and
indistinctive fair uses.  “Descriptive”
works for word marks, and may work for some other marks, but indistinctiveness
captures the broader concept.  It’s also
a TM use type issue.  Indistinctiveness
is “I’m using this, but not in a way that indicates source.”  [Around the table there is some amusement at
this embrace of TM use.]
 
Lionel Bently:
indistinctiveness needs to be in accordance with good industrial practice; we
don’t really know its scope. The court has said that if there’s dilution, free
riding, or confusion, then you can’t use it. 
[Like descriptive fair use in the US.] 
Everything you prove to show infringement undermines the defense.
 
Kur: You’re wrong.
 
RT: Louboutin as thinness or Louboutin as failure of ability to
analyze b/c of inability to talk about non-confusion-based values?  I see it as more like the Wittgenstein moment
of US TM law: “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”  Louboutin just can’t coexist w/a consumer
confusion analysis: There has to be something there about TM as instead a business
activity/competition regulator; thin mark would require us to leave behind how
consumers perceive the mark once recognized as valid by not even asking whether
they’re confused, which is exactly what Louboutin does. 
 
Even if you did what
Bone suggested and imposed a higher confusion requirement you’d be derogating
from what courts have decided “real” consumer confusion is—if they’re
ordinarily going to count affiliation confusion or endorsement confusion, then
they need to have a reason not to do so, which has to be something about market
structure.  And if the problem is w/ the
affiliation/endorsement confusion allowed for others, then all marks should be
thin in this way!  This leads me to think
of double identity as a kind of thinness in scope, but also thickness in terms
of rights.  The harm requirement for uses
outside double identity then would reverse that: broad scope in theory, but
thin in terms of which uses are actually covered when you get to the end of the
inquiry.
 
McKenna: That’s a
reinstatement of TM infringement v. unfair competition.  [Yeah, I’m finally getting making my peace
with that, though I still want some channeling/preemptive effect from patent
and other regimes even when it comes to unfair competition, at least to the
extent that Sears/Compco imposed.]
Retail-level competitive harm analysis, rather than categorical rules, create
effects as Dogan described—it’s hard for courts to define relevant markets b/c
they don’t get full info and lack a conceptual frame.  [Dogan: think about how to convince courts to
move to that global level.]  One thing
courts do seem to get is interference w/ other rights regimes. That’s why they
latched on to stronger channeling in utility area: patent law makes a decision
about whether to protect a thing or not, and that has competition norms baked
in; that decision is not TM’s to undo. Easier for courts to get; doesn’t
require them to do the work of defining the relevant market.
 
Lemley: easy for an
expired patent.
 
McKenna: or for Jay Franco—if it has useful features and
you can’t/haven’t made it through the gates, too bad for you.
 
Bone: That’s not
enough; what if there’s good reason to protect this thing from TM perspective?  The patent system hasn’t always made a
decision.
 
Dogan: but if it’s w/in
the subject matter of patent, then we can infer it’s not protected.  Unless you meet standard for patentability, competition
is the norm.
 
Bone: not sure
patent law is helpful in defining markets.
 
Dogan: but courts
think the work has been done for them, descriptively.
 
McGeveran: will also
endorse this normatively.  How
influential is the gravitational pull of some other regime? Utility patent is
one, but maybe design patent increasingly will/should be.  Once you start to cast things as 1A matters,
the courts also find a gravitational pull. 
Descriptively: when you ID other areas of law with big footprints,
courts tend to defer more. Would like to do that more with design patent and
1A. Question: can you present this competitive need consideration in a way
w/the same gravitational pull; not sure there’s as tidy a place you can point.
 
Robert Burrell:
[Something I’m not sure I completely got, but was very interesting: the idea
being that direct copies were likely to compete solely on price, but partial
copies would have at least some R&D costs associated w/them, so the price
competition if extant wouldn’t be solely based on free riding.]
 
Dogan: Thinks that
both kinds of copying should be allowed, but descriptively courts don’t like
the pure copying.
 
Fred Yen: When we
say trademark meaning, do we care about intent of P or D?  In Traffix,
was the spring chosen b/c it worked or b/c the P thought it was jazzy looking/would
eventually become a distinguishing feature? 
Or consumers’ POV?  Hooks into
what we think we’re doing w/TM law—courts are very interested in investments
made by P; but other parts of TM are about protecting how consumers operate in
the marketplace.  When you ask about
perspective, if we are about investment protection, then P’s perspective
matters a lot—incentive function.  But
present in a lot of these cases is the sense that we use consumer POV as a
reason to give value to P even if there was no investment at all and they put
it there for non-trademarky reason; windfall.
 
Lemley: The D’s
perspective: matters a great deal whether this is a defense or part of the
cause of action.  Even if TM owner
treated it as TM and consumers do, in some circumstances if the use wasn’t
intended to take adv. of the presence of competition, then we protect it—descriptive
fair use.
 
McGeveran: so too
w/functionality: we judge from the D’s perspective.
 
Dinwoodie: w/in the
Continental tradition there’s unfair competition (consumer protection) and
slavish imitation (which is about ethical norms).  Why, other than the Supremacy Clause, is it
patent that establishes the competitive baseline? Why should patent control TM,
and not the other way around?  And why
isn’t © at least as controlling?  Lots of
stuff is ©able.  Would make lots of stuff
unTMable.  [Great Q.  Maybe something about the difference between
communicating and doing other things in the world?  TM and © are both communicative, and on that
logic so too design patent might be.]
 
Alexandra Roberts: These
defendants are often copying for the sake of copying, not b/c we want it for
consumers but b/c it’s the one that sells—generic or store brand shampoo.  Mixed motive—not intent to deceive, but
intent to incorporate these features b/c they signal a cheaper version of
something that’s already selling.
 
Yen: Not terribly
sympathetic to going after lookalikes, but one thing that’s going on is that
someone who does that is using the mark-like aspects for descriptive purposes:
the message is “the stuff is equivalent to the branded stuff.”
 
Laura Heymann: but
why not just use the words?
 
Yen: it’s efficient;
easier to see from far away.
 
Heymann: we assume
these things, but is that true?

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Two older cases finding fair use of film clips

Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094
(C.D. Cal. 2015)| 
 
Just showed up in Westclip; another datum for the “video
clip usage can be fair use” pile.  Jukin
amasses a library of user-generated internet video clips to license on the clip
creators’ behalf.  Equals Three makes
short humor programs which it broadcasts via YouTube.  “Its humor programs typically involve a host
who gives an introduction, shows parts of video clips (which are usually shown
in edited form and inset within a decorative graphical frame) and remarks about
the events and people presented in the clip.”  Equals Three added “text, graphics and
animation, sound effects, voice overs, and video clips … to enhance and develop
the story.”  
 
Equals Three used 19 clips from Jukin’s videos without
paying.  These were videos  “featuring either a slapstick-style mishap, an
animal in a humorous situation, or simply a cute video of an animal (such as a
dachshund chasing a crab on the beach).”
 
The court quoted Campbell’s
distinction between parody and satire and understandably declared itself
puzzled about how to decide whether the Equals Three videos were parodies.  Jukin’s videos record events that “typically
have an unplanned or spontaneous aspect to them—such as an attempted boat stunt
failing or a child having an unexpected reaction to the news of his mother’s
new pregnancy.” “It is difficult to say whether Equals Three’s episodes, which
undisputedly use graphics and narration to tell jokes about the events depicted
in the videos, criticize these videos—which were themselves made to serve the
purpose of humor and entertainment—or simply point out their inherent humor.”
 
However, even if the Equals Three videos weren’t parodies,
the episodes still commented on or criticized the Jukin videos by directly
responding to them and highlighting humorous reactions to them.  The host’s narration “makes comments about
Jukin’s videos that highlight their ridiculousness by creating fictionalized
narratives of how the events transpired, using similes, or by directly mocking
the depicted events and people.”  For
example, one Jukin video shows footage of a crane first failing to remove, then
removing, a milk jug from a black bear’s head. 
The Equals Three video showed some clips from the Jukin video, and the host
comments that “playing the crane game at Chuckie Cheese’s wasn’t a waste of
time” and compares using a crane to remove a jug from a bear’s head to “fishing
with a hand grenade.”  Another Jukin
video showed a groom running while carrying his (presumed) bride, tripping, and
falling on her. Equals Three showed the actual trip and fall multiple times “with
different graphics and commentary interspersed. The host … describes the
incident as an example of why you shouldn’t wait to have sex until marriage
because you get ‘way too excited.’”
 
The videos were the “butt” of Equals Three’s jokes. “Thus,
the jokes, narration, graphics, editing, and other elements that Equals Three
adds to Jukin’s videos add something new to Jukin’s videos with a different
purpose or character.”  The court
distinguished the videos (save one) from cases in which “the addition of
minimal narration, an introduction, or text did not change the essential
character of the original work.”  Other
cases, such as the plaintiff’s win in L.A.
News Service
(featuring footage of the Reginald Denny beating) also
indicate that, if the footage itself were the news, factor one would favor fair
use.  “This distinction illustrates the
difference between using Jukin’s videos to comment on the videos themselves and
using Jukin’s videos gratuitously to illustrate a broader message.”  Transformativeness outweighed commerciality.
 
The exception was one video showing the first person to buy
an iPhone 6 in Perth dropping the phone. “According to Equals Three, it used
this footage for the purpose of making two points: (1) ‘don’t be first at shit’;
and (2) Apple Inc.’s method of packaging iPhones at the top of the box is
absurd.” The court found that these were “two general, broad points that were
not directly aimed at criticizing or commenting on the video,” and thus not
transformative.  I admit I’m not sure
what the difference is here—this seems like the court in Cariou singling out five of Prince’s collages.
 
Nor did Equals Three’s resistance to licensing after Jukin
demanded a license fee weigh against bad faith. 
“If using a song after requesting and being denied a license [Campbell] does not show bad faith, then
neither does failing to obtain a license and continuing to use footage after
being sent a demand letter.”  Likewise,
the court didn’t think that Equals Three’s alleged free riding on Jukin’s hunt
for the best viral videos was bad faith.
 
Thus, all but one of the videos were highly
transformative.  The Jukin videos were
creative, but they were also previously published, so factor two carried
“slight weight.”  The Equals Three videos
took no more than necessary, even though they arguably took the heart of the
Jukin videos: they had to “convey enough of the events to allow the host’s
jokes, comments, and criticisms to make sense to the viewer and resonate.”
Factor three favored fair use.
 
Factor 4: Only market substitution counts, and there’s no
cognizable derivative market for criticism. The court rejected Jukin’s argument
that copying the videos shortly after publication was especially harmful,
because Jukin’s VP’s declaration gave no foundation for this assertion.  “Moreover, even assuming arguendo that the
videos are more valuable shortly after publication, focusing on harm from
Equals Three’s failure to pay a license risks circular reasoning—if Equals
Three’s use is fair then no license fee is required by it or by other similar
users.”  There was also no evidence that
any viewers actually watched Equals Three’s episode rather than Jukin’s video,
and no evidence to support Jukin’s claim that “a potential licensee is less
likely to license a video if they think others are copying it for free.”  The court found that substitution wasn’t
completely implausible; “the Court can imagine a fine line between the demand
for the humorous original and the humorous new work commenting thereon.” But
with market harm still hypothetical, factor four didn’t favor either party.
 
Thus, Jukin’s motion for summary judgment on fair use was
granted as to the one iPhone video and denied as to the rest.
 
Nat’l Ctr. for Jewish Film v. Riverside Films LLC, No.
5:12–CV–00044, 2012 WL 4052111, at *3 (C.D.Cal. Sept. 14, 2012)
 
Mentioned in the Jukin case; I’m putting it here to make
sure I add it to the list of fair use film cases.  NCJF is a nonprofit that archives and distributes
films that promote Jewish heritage. Riverside released a feature-length
documentary, Sholem Aleichem: Laughing in
the Darkness
, about the 19th century Yiddish author “whose works have
remained a cultural touchstone for Jews across the world.  More than a mere biography, the film examines
the last 150 years of Jewish history, covering the transition from the
traditional, religiously dominated world of shtetls to modern secular life.”
 
Riverside allegedly used clips of varying lengths from four of
Plaintiff’s copyrighted films: (1) Yiddle with His Fiddle; (2) A Letter to
Mother; (3) Tevye the Milkman; and (4) Jewish Luck.  [Disputes about ownership omitted.]
 
Factor one: NCJF argued that Riverside merely added a
voiceover to the original scenes depicting shtetls, and therefore their use was
not transformative.  The court disagreed;
the “voiceovers, editing, and overall production” added something new.  Riverside used short clips in a montage with
other scenes. 
 
Even the longer video clips—e.g., the
scene in Tevye depicting the
protagonist’s struggles with his daughter’s rejection of the Jewish faith—are
buttressed with other scenes and commentary that explain the relevance and
background of the video clip. Scholarly commentary runs throughout Sholem
Aleichem and does more than mere narration. This documentary aims to teach and
enlighten its audience about Aleichem’s work and Jewish history.
 
Despite the commercial nature of the use, factor one favored
Riverside. 
 
You know the rest: Factor two: fictional films, but already
published.  (Where all that NCJF arguably
owned was the English subtitles, “the creative element is severely lacking, as
it is very easy with today’s technology to translate the dialogue and reproduce
the English subtitles.”)  Slightly
favored Riverside.  Factor three: tiny
bits. 22 seconds were from Yiddle,
0.4% of its run time; 41 seconds were from Letter,
0.6% of its run time; 13 clips were from Jewish
Luck
totaling 37 seconds, 0.6% of its run time; clips from Tevye totaled 1 minute and 24 seconds,
1.5% of its run time. This was minimal, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
The depictions of shtetl life were “background scenes, mere transitions between
other, more important scenes,”  and the
subtitles were ancillary.
 
Factor four: use of the clips as background for scholarly
commentary wouldn’t substitute for the full-length films.  In fact, the film likely caused newfound
interest in the older films.
 
The court treated bad faith as a separate issue that might
preclude fair use.  NCJF claims that
Riverside contacted NCJF before using the clips, got copies from NCJF, then
used the clips without paying NCJF’s licensing fee of $12,000, modest for a
film that made $1 million in revenues. 
However, the court found Riverside’s acts reasonable, “especially in the
light of Plaintiffs’ tenuous copyrights and Defendants’ belief in its fair-use
rights,” and not in bad faith.

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business challenges BBB’s claims about itself, lacks Lexmark standing

Wall & Associates, Inc. v. Better Business Bureau of
Central Virginia, Inc. 2016 WL 3087055, No. 1:16-cv-119 (E.D. Va. May 31, 2016)
 
Wall runs a tax settlement business that received low
ratings from several regional BBBs, so it sued them for false advertising,
tortious interference with contract and business expectancy, and defamation. The
court dismissed the complaint.
 
The BBBs are nonprofits that maintain websites with a free,
searchable database of reviews of businesses in the region. A business review
contains background information on a business, an indication of whether the
business is BBB accredited, and a grade on a scale of A+ to F generated by
thirteen “elements.” BBBs generate revenue through accreditation of businesses.
The CBBB does not accredit businesses,   According to Wall, its efforts to understand
the basis underlying its bad grades and a consumer alert posed by one BBB were
marked by “a lack of transparency and a general contempt for the type of
services that Wall offers.”
 
On proximate causation, Wall alleged that the BBBs’
self-characterization of the rating system as a national, uniform, and unbiased
standard when in reality it is implemented by regional, independent licensees
applying their own “subjective, biased, and personal criteria” was false.
Consumers believing that the ratings were neutral relied on them.  The court found that this causal chain was
too attenuated to survive Lexmark, as
compared to claims between competitors or direct commercial disparagement claims.  Lexmark
didn’t require competition, but it did note that “a plaintiff who does not
compete with the defendant will often have a harder time establishing proximate
causation.” Wall argued that there overlap between the two businesses because the
BBBs’ promotion of the rating system targeted individuals and businesses, and
they must pay taxes and potentially need a tax-settlement business. “That is
too flimsy a connection.”
 
Wall’s direct injury, if any, was from the BBB’s grades and
“alert” on the page for Wall on the BBB’s site. 
But those were nonactionable statements of opinion. 
 
Without the Lanham Act claim, the court declined to exercise
jurisdiction over the pendent state law claims.

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