law
be argued to the 8th Cir. challenged by retired NFL players to
continued airing of programs recounting their exploits in actual games. Survived a motion to dismiss. After NFL settled a class action, moved for
SJ and dct granted it. Every single defense we’ve discussed has been raised and
was accepted: 1A based defense under C.B.C.
fantasy baseball case; statutory/common law safe harbor for speech about
sports; Rogers v. Grimaldi for TM
claims lacking express false endorsement; equitable defenses. © preemption is important in the 8th
Cir. b/c Ray v. ESPN found preemption when a pro wrestler said that ESPN
violated his ROP by showing old footage of him wrestling.
them to avoid 1A issues, so they won’t clarify the remaining issues. When is preemption appropriate? And what should be done with transformative
use? In ©, fair use is a 1A safety
valve; under ROP, you shouldn’t be applying it to 1A-protected activity in the first
place, so you don’t need transformativeness for the same purpose.
whether protected or not, and the state claim is equivalent of a © right—state a
claim simply b/c someone is exercising rights of ©–then it’s preempted. ROP
gets confusing b/c there’s confusion over what the subject matter is—the thing
created by the user or the persona of the claimant, which is not protectable.
Metaphysics: Toney v. L’Oreal—a model
sues L’Oreal for putting her picture on a package and the court got tied up in
whether the subject matter was photograph or face. Conflict preemption as another alternative.
it has this subject matter problem. Main thing it was supposed to do was to
preempt common-law copyright, and it doesn’t even seem to do that. Conflict preemption is therefore useful. Used to look a lot bleaker. Now there are
more cases finding preemption when there’s an authorized use at the front-end
subsequently repurposed; courts now seem more likely to find preemption as a
matter of constitutional avoidance. Problems exist: no initial permission for
underlying work; expired contract/use exceeds terms of initial contract.
Federal law may perhaps need to define what consent is for purposes of copyright
preemption regardless of whether state law purports to require written consent
for the ROP.
surviving a motion to dismiss, b/c athletes didn’t expressly consent for their
games to be shown on TV. So what’s the
role of consent?
notion that consent to do anything was coerced: an unfair deal/forced to sign
deals if they wanted to play. Consent is
usually a Q of fact/can be vitiated by duress.
For purposes of © preemption, we’ve argued that it doesn’t matter. When push comes to shove, it has to be the
case that for purposes of © preemption these athletes have consented: they came
to the field and knew they were being filmed. Whether that’s consent for
purposes of common law may be different.
Though it’s argued as §301, it’s always felt more like conflict
preemption: © defines how performances are to be protected; this is essentially
a common-law © claim repled.
conflict preemption/goals of © are implicated.
Implied consent can be read broadly.
author is. Consent may matter then if
the person who consented would otherwise count as an author: so Zacchini may be
in a different position than a single athlete or even a single actor in a
larger production. If the claimant is a
person for whom it would make sense to ask “is this person an author?” then
perhaps a ROP claim implicates © preemption questions, and that makes consent
relevant. If their performance or expressive
configuration is fixed w/out consent, then what they have is functionally a
common-law © claim; if it was fixed w/consent, then either © provides them an
ownership interest or it doesn’t and either way there should be preemption.
various ways. The contract may or may not be valid, but even if you took the
contract away, they still knew they were going to be filmed.
Finding of consent to woman on red carpet was not a preemption
finding. T3 case: preemption doesn’t
depend on consent; you can license photos for which you own the ©.
terms. Are you exercising a right to which you would normally be entitled?
claimed their contracts didn’t allow the use of their images in the films.
Court spoke in terms of consent for © preemption; then the © rights trump their
rights of publicity.
If we don’t know what the ROP is for, then what it is/whether it is
related to incentives is at least open to debate. The argument that has proven more persuasive
to some folks, including Posner, is © as brand management—an exclusive right to
encourage efficient management of celebrity once achieved. Cal SCt explicitly
relied on incentive theory in Saderup
too in its decision to look to ©. Zacchini
used © as analogy; states used it as analogy to get life +50 or +70 in states;
to copy remedies such as disgorgement. To the extent a ct finds them persuasive, it ought
to be motivated to apply a more searching §301 analysis—paracopyright is
exactly what §301 was supposed to get rid of.
incentive is to do something other than create expressive works. Then §301 isn’t obviously implicated.
on what it is for ROP. You can’t use the
person to discuss the thing that made them famous?
stupid.
creates problems of its own: the New Life
court got completely tangled in mugs v. calendars v. posters. But that would
have been better than what we got.
what? Than the celebrity? What is the
purpose and effect of the celebrity?]
Relative value of the celebrity use is effectively the fourth fair use
factor folded into transformativeness.
works, but doesn’t explain how that works.
or consistently.
can’t. And if you’re talking about a
news photo, you can’t transform that if it’s just how the person looks.
expressive works were protected, intended to be a pro-artist decision.
within the legitimate scope of the ROP as we think it is? What are the risks/benefits of such a move?
and §43(a)—Midler and White both also involved successful
§43(a) claims. There may not be a
perfect match w/commercial speech, since TM is broader in the forms of
confusion it prohibits. Doesn’t always
require, as it should, a strict invitation to engage in a commercial
transaction. For the most part, a lot of
overlap. What does that say about the
risks/benefits/opportunities of thinking about TM?
in terms of Rogers v. Grimaldi, if
the purpose of the right is defined more narrowly and more like the purpose of
TM—gives us a basis for balancing speech interests in a way similar to how the Rogers ct did it.
market makes it plausible that cts would find false endorsement in many
circumstances, especially merchandising—maybe that’s not so bad for courts’
anti-exploitation instincts, but leads us back down the rabbit hole. Does
presence in video game imply endorsement?
Rogers is important, but then
rests on a distinction between “expressive” works and other works. And is incoherently applied in the U of Ala./New Life case.
substance of the product constitutes the TM, a keychain or license plate
holder, they don’t engage in Rogers,
versus works that contain independent expression into which the TM is folded
where they do apply Rogers. It’s
rough and not explicit in the case law, but merch that consists of the TM isn’t
even treated as expressive in TM law.
requirement? Could there be
abandonment?
endorsement should come from the celebrity itself and not from the estate—postmortem
ROP is much harder to sustain. The move people make to get around that is to
say that consumers believe that the estate licensed it, but that’s entirely
circular. People don’t think Coretta
Scott King endorsed the statue; they may think she’s getting money, but that’s
different.
Coca-Cola—truthful ad that they drink Coca-Cola. Courts won’t allow that campaign although it
is 100% true.
try to prohibit that by state law. Can
make a good case that implicit endorsement should be actionable, but if you
take away the misleadingness—make it absolutely clear that there’s no
endorsement—the 1A should prohibit liability.
[Unless it’s commercial speech and the ROP still survives Central Hudson!]
comments so far largely assume that they are fine with animal crush videos,
violent videogames that cause violence, and simulated child sex but we assume
that they could not stomach a rule that didn’t give celebrities rights to
control truthful commercial speech about them because that doesn’t give
celebrities enough money/property rights.
Not something that I’m sure is wrong, but something disturbing.]
A fair amount of sentiment in the room that in fact the SCt will see the ROP as
equivalent to the animal crush video law; SCt wouldn’t see it as an IP right
because it’s a state right. I don’t
really see that conclusion as following given the Ct’s extreme respect for
property rights created by the states.
Even the judicial takings case suggests that the Ct won’t let states cut
back on the property rights they created.
Alvarez indicates that
Justices across the spectrum believe in trademark rights, and I don’t think
they’re just talking about the federal right.
when you’re dealing w/Lanham Act you have to establish consumer confusion and
ROP doesn’t require that, so there needs to be more 1A protection for that very reason. The Third Circuit turned
that on its head, for no sensible reason.
We’re really giving celebrities a right of control, not a right of
reward.
expressive products. But can’t think of
a way to implement that distinction in a satisfying way.
was justified b/c celebrities would feel deprived if they could no longer
benefit from their endorsements. Given §43’s expansion over the years, there’s
become much less of a need for that.
Complementary federal protection.
Facebook as potential claimants—play into this?
Even if they cut back on commercial speech doctrine, SCt will find a way to
deal with the false endorsement issue—maybe by using fraud.
rights/transferability?
rules for TM and transfer them over. [In fact, try a broader false advertising
justification—then you don’t get postmortem rights and transferability at
all.] Make Rogers seem relevant by identifying the harm we’re trying to
prevent as consumer deception, in which we have a ready-made test for
expressive works that incorporate celebrity identities. If the harm is that
somebody made money and the celebrity didn’t get paid, then Rogers won’t work. But that won’t fit many of the suggested
justifications for the ROP; the conclusion has to be that the 1A puts many of
those justifications off limits.
putting Paris Hilton in an NCAA video game is easier to justify than putting an
actual player in.
a reason: needed something to allow people to use names/etc. in expressive
works without vetoes. Anybody who’s put
a TM in a true expressive work w/o permission of owner has gotten a letter;
there were lawsuits way back when where TM owners lost. But fundamentally they lost
and courts said “no one would assume endorsement or sponsorship in this case.” Today, where product placement is in 75% of
works—that case doesn’t come out the same way without Rogers. That’s why it’s
important that Rogers is a standard
that does not rely on an empirical test.
[Rogers rejected a consumer
survey even accepting that it was well-conducted.]
of as sponsorship/endorsement, then TM isn’t a limiting principle. SCt might
not automatically treat Rogers as
good law. Rogers works as a bulwark against that by saying “if it’s
artistically relevant, we don’t care if it’s confusing,” as long as you weren’t
explicitly misleading. But: If you look
at TM as how the SCt has articulated it, they might not like Rogers.
question, much better that they think of it as TM than as ©!
commercial speech case: not commercial speech and fails strict scrutiny. That’s all that’s necessary. Role of Rogers:
one of our smartest appellate cts has already thought through the issue and
gotten there; just clarifying relationship of Rogers to 1A. [Why does the
rump liability of Rogers survive
strict scrutiny?]
low value speech; standard interests cited are not present/not compelling/the
right is not narrowly tailored to them.
in the doctrinal reframing? One thing the Ct could do is say strict scrutiny
applies b/c it’s content based and send it back to the 9th
Circuit. If it’s not commercial speech,
9th Cir’s approach was wrong and strict scrutiny applies. Do you
need to preemptively think up and defend against justifications?
affirmatively as: the lower court misread Zacchini.
Torturing it so badly so they end up w/ “it’s unprotected b/c it’s accurate.”
performance. Narrowly
tailored/compelling interest. Ohio SCt
used the words ROP, but that doesn’t mean that everything that includes the
words ROP is Zacchini: a common law
proprietary right in complete events.
in Zacchini? Good question! Now we know it’s content
based; decided before SCt addressed the relationship between 1A and ©; need not
address whether state common law © is treated the same way as federal ©, b/c it’s
almost all preempted. Even setting
preemption aside, could say strict scrutiny applied and the nature of
claim/interest differ and Ct needs to decide whether it would come out the same
way, but it’s still nothing like EA v.
Davis.
SCt. Would need to find another
case. (Pirelli?) Jim Brown case is now in the state court of
appeals.
Locker: ex-Marine? You took his
story/his life!
millions off the works. We need a D who’s a poor struggling filmmaker. [SCt may be perfectly sympathetic to giant
companies.]
these games—creativity, skill, imagination.
Dryer, Sarver, Marshall: no
court has gone so far as to treat movies like video games, so we never get to
the SCt b/c the Ct doesn’t disagree with the cases and the movie companies
oppose cert. Gutsy to not oppose cert and say it’s time to decide this
issue.
company/unsympathetic.
by logic into protecting? Very important
not to make this sound as if we think the world is crumbling.
training. Won’t just be trivial. New
form of interactive storytelling, not like merchandise.
is not exclusive to video games: it’s part of reading, going to the movies;
insofar as videogames are perceived as interactive, they are not different from
anything else. Marshal the literature community in some form, the movie
community. Educators, history teachers. Ken Burns?
ok standard.] Better to have a realistic, complicated game.
by perception of the material, or resentment of the California legislature
caught up in anti-violence? Predecessor
cases like Kirby were fantasy;
reality simulation games are losing, and those viscerally feel less like
literature. Should focus on why to
protect reality-based games. Biopic
producers would produce a good brief.
industry stakeholders just didn’t care.
throwing traditional expressive works under the bus. Brown is about speech regulation by the gov’t; they won’t have any
trouble saying this is a different context.
games and movies.
inconsistencies, the incredible breadth of what the states are doing. Get facts in about reality of industry. What you have is a national product that with
the internet can’t be limited to certain states. The state with the strongest ROP sets the
rules for the nation. Vast investment
for motion pictures/need for predictability.
for all for other competitors to use all these trade dress features of
games? [Yes, it should.] Have the stakeholders thought this
through? EA games could be lower
price/higher quality if it faced more competition from others who could use
realism.
But EA was asked that at oral argument and it’s willing to take that
result.
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