Class claims down the toilet? Court stays lawsuit for FTC action

Belfiore v. Procter & Gamble Co., — F.Supp.3d —-,
2015 WL 5781541, No. 14–CV–4090 (E.D.N.Y. Oct. 5, 2015)
 
The district court stayed six related consumer class actions
against “flushable” wipes on the ground that the FTC could probably protect consumers
more effectively.  Consumers alleged that
they paid a premium for “flushable” wipes—moist towelettes intended for use in
place of, or in addition to, toilet paper—that are not actually “flushable.”  P&G’s wipe, “designed to break down
through chemical processes and physical manipulation, shows no signs of coming
apart while in a home’s plumbing, or possibly even after it reaches a municipal
sewage plant.” “Similar class actions are pending in other courts. A number of
municipalities have brought a class action against manufacturers of similar
products, claiming clogging of their sewage disposal facilities,” while others
are warning their citizens not to flush “flushable” wipes.  NYC has proposed to ban “flushable” claims
unless they’re certified by a third party test approved by NYC.
 
The FTC has an ongoing inquiry into the use of the term, and
one competitor was recently subject to a proposed consent
agreement
with the FTC about describing its products as “flushable.”  In order to make “flushable” and similar
claims, the producer would be required, among other things, to have
substantiation that its product “disperses in a sufficiently short amount of
time after flushing to avoid clogging, or other operational problems in,
household and municipal sewage lines, septic systems, and other standard
wastewater equipment.”  P&G is also
the subject of an “informal inquiry” by the FTC, focusing on the ability of
various wipe products to pass through municipal sewage system facilities.
 
Because “certification of a statutory damages class would
pit New York State’s consumer protection law, which explicitly prohibits
statutory damages in class actions, against the federal class action rule,
which contains no such prohibition,” here prudence counseled in favor of
staying the putative class action to see what, if anything, the FTC will do,
even though the class action predicates were otherwise met.  Fundamentally, Judge Weinstein disagreed with
the Supreme Court’s treatment of the interaction between state law and Rule 23,
because he believed that it would reward forum shopping, and used that
disagreement to weigh against certification. 
I imagine there’s room to disagree over whether this is
appropriate.  Moreover, with multiple
cases pending across the nation, “there is a substantial risk of inconsistent
judgments regarding the meaning of ‘flushable.’ A robust management of the
“flushable” problem by the FTC, rather than by courts, could avoid unnecessary
inconsistencies and controversies, helping manufacturers, retail vendors and
consumers alike.”
 
If circumstances changed, the court indicated that it would
likely deny certification of a damages class, but certify an injunctive relief
class.

The packaging of the wipes at issue, which had been the same since 2011, claims
that the wipes are “flushable,” “Septic Safe,” and “Safe for sewer and septic
systems.” 
 

 
“Flushable” wipes cost
substantially more than toilet paper and non-flushable wipes.  P&G’s wipes are created by using jets of
water to entangle a wood-pulp base, structurally supported by a chemical
binder.  It contends that the wipes begin
to disintegrate when dropped into the toilet upon exposure to physical forces
and biological factors found in wastewater systems. P&G offers
reimbursements who complain that the wipes caused a clog.  Plaintiff Belfiore bought the wipes and
experienced clogged plumbing and sewer back-up; a plumber charged him over $500
to remove the wipes and other materials from the pipes, though he hasn’t yet
paid the bill.
 
The parties argued about the definition of “flushable,” with
plaintiff going basically for “it’s not flushable if it doesn’t break down
sufficiently to pass through pipes and causes serious problems for individual
owners and municipalities.”  P&G
argued that what’s flushable is “a subjective inquiry, unique to each
purchaser’s experience.”  Defendant’s
experts suggested that “flushable” meant that an object would “successfully
leave their home,” meaning that wristwatches and matchbox cars would qualify as
flushable.  There are also industry
guidelines for flushability that look at whether the product becomes
unrecognizable in the sludge generated in the normal course of wastewater treatment.  The FTC’s proposed consent order also
provided a definition that offered some guidance, as noted above.  There was no consumer survey on the term’s
general meaning (though I would think that “septic safe” etc. further qualify
the claim to give it more meaning).
 
NY’s GBL § 349 allows recovery of actual damages or $50 per
transaction, whichever is greater, except that C.P.L.R. § 901(b) bars class
actions seeking to recover “a penalty, or minimum measure of recovery created
or imposed by statute,” unless that statute explicitly authorizes recovery
through a class action, which §349 does not.
 
The Supreme Court considered the interaction between FRCP 23
and § 901(b) in Shady
Grove Orthopedic Associates v. Allstate Ins.
, in which the Court found that
Rule 23 controls over §901(b).  Though Shady Grove “undermines the important
state substantive policy behind § 901(b). But it is binding on federal courts,
and therefore, in the instant case.” 
However, §901(b) still influenced the court’s certification analysis.
 
As for the class action factors, P&G disputed
commonality on the theory that the alleged injury depended on individual
experience with the product. But that’s not the injury in a false advertising
case; here, injury was the price premium paid by everyone, even if some
consumers were satisfied or had varying danages. “Those who are satisfied that
the premium was worthwhile can opt out or decline to file for damages awarded
to the class.”  Likewise, this meant that
the plaintiff’s claims were typical, because his plumbing bill wasn’t the focus
of the litigation and his damages theory was based on price premiums.
 
Adequacy: There was “some doubt” that counsel intended, or
was able, “to finance the expensive consumer and economic studies necessary for
effective prosecution of a case on a premium price theory.”  But, given that plaintiff was now seeking
only the statutory $50 award, that wasn’t likely to be decisive, and counsel
seemed qualified in other respects.
 
Ascertainability: the court rejected the “no receipts, no
ascertainability” argument for the usual reasons—it would destroy the very
low-value aggregated claims that the class action device was designed to
accommodate, increasing injustice. 
Self-identification via affidavit could be appropriate given that the
alleged misrepresentation was uniform across all products.
 
Rule 23(b)(2) injunctive relief class: The court refused to
hold that plaintiff lacked Article III standing to bring a claim for injunctive
relief, because that would denigrate the NY consumer protection statute by
denying anyone who figured out that she’d been deceived from representing a
class of the still-deceived.
 
A single injunction against the labeling here would provide
relief to each member of the class; individual claims for monetary relief can’t
be certified under 23(b)(2), at least where it’s not incidental to the
injunctive or declaratory relief.  The
monetary relief sought by some class members—individual plumbing costs—was incidental
to the injunctive relief and could be tried separately. Thus, if the action
weren’t stayed, the court would look favorably on a 23(b)(2) injunctive class.
 
Rule 23(b)(3) damages class: The court found predominance.  P&G argued that whether consumers were
injured by the “flushable” label requires an individualized inquiry into each
purchaser’s experience, since some consumers have “consistently flushed without
a problem” and therefore could not have been deceived.  But either all consumers bought “flushable”
wipes that were, in fact, “flushable,” or none did.  P&G also argued that materiality would
require individualized proof.  But such
individualized proof is unnecessary under §349, which uses an objective
standard.  Moreover, the plaintiff’s
damages model, which used hedonic regression to determine a premium from the
product, was sufficient to establish classwide injury.  Once injury was established, statutory
damages could be calculated classwide. 
Any individualized issues about plumbing products would be tried on an
individual basis.
 
Superiority: The courts are split on whether superiority
analysis can consider the ability of administrative agencies to address the key
contention in the case.  Given Rule 23’s
reference to “adjudicating” claims, some conclude that it only requires a
comparison to individual litigation. 
However, it was sensible to consider the FTC’s potential action, which
could resolve issues on a uniform national basis.  If an administrative agency has yet to take definitive
remedial measures, some courts deem a class action superior. See, e.g., Bryan
v. Amrep Corp., 429 F.Supp. 313, 319 (S.D.N.Y. 1977) (status of FTC proceedings
was unclear).
 
Here, however, a class action seeking statutory damages wasn’t superior, because the FTC was
better suited to protect consumers nationally and it was already considering
P&G’s flushable claims:
 
In the interest of uniform protection
of consumers, the FTC should address the instant case and related cases, lest
inconsistent judgments and labeling abound. This risk is serious, as noted by
the number of cases that have already reached varying dispositions. Consumers
as well as vendors require a uniform definition of “flushable,” and the FTC is
best suited to announce it.
 
New York’s public policy against statutory damages in class
action cases, which could easily be excessive (here, up to $95.5 million),
buttressed this conclusion. Such a large award would also contradict Congress’
intent in enacting CAFA: “to discourage excessively harsh results eclipsing
plaintiff’s actual damages.”  (Is that
what CAFA intended to do?)  Thus, the
court wasn’t likely to certify a damages class, on superiority grounds.
 
However, for the moment, the court merely relied on the
primary jurisdiction doctrine to stay the case. 
Although the doctrine is relatively narrow, and usually doesn’t apply
where the issue is “legal in nature and lies within the traditional realm of
judicial competence,” and although the courts are generally well-suited to
determine false advertising issues—both in terms of the science and in terms of
likely consumer understanding—policy considerations counseled in favor of a
stay. GBL § 349 also expressly provides that it “shall be a complete defense”
under the statute if the challenged act or practice “complies with the rules
and regulations of, and the statutes administered by the federal trade
commission … as such rules, regulations or statutes are interpreted by the
federal trade commission.” “Thus, a determination by the FTC that defendant’s
flushability claims are supported by, or not supported by, competent evidence
under the FTCA would, at a minimum, be important to proceedings in this court
and could be conclusive.”  Moreover,
there was danger of inconsistent rulings among various courts and the FTC,
without a consensus on the definition of “flushable.”  An FTC ruling blessing or rejecting these
claims could end the need for litigation. 
Plus, the FTC process allows for public comment, while an individual
class action generally doesn’t. 
(Objections?)
 

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Lexmark means what it says, except when it says not to use the word “standing”

New Jersey Physicians United Reciprocal Exchange v. Boynton
& Boynton, Inc., Nos. 12-5610, 13-2286, 2015 WL 5822930 (D.N.J. Oct. 1,
2015)
 
Plaintiff NJ PURE sued Boynton, who added third-party
defendants Joanna Elias and Eric Poe.
Boynton is an insurance agent that brokers the sale of
medical malpractice insurance policies to physicians and other healthcare
workers. NJ PURE is a “reciprocal inter-insurance exchange,” that is engaged in
the “direct sale of medical malpractice insurance policies that it produces
itself to physicians and other individuals and institutions engaged in the
provision of healthcare.” Elias and Poe were employees of NJ PURE during the
relevant time period.
 
Boynton alleged that it competed directly with NJ PURE
because NJ PURE markets its medical malpractice insurance policies directly to
potential insureds, without the use of a broker.  It alleged that NJ PURE falsely advertised
that NJ PURE was rated favorably by A.M. Best Company to several existing and
prospective Boynton customers.
 
Under Lexmark, a
plaintiff must allege that it falls within the zone of interests protected by §
1125(a), which requires injury to “a commercial interest in reputation or
sales.”  Moreover, its injury must be
proximately caused by the defendant’s conduct. 
Alleged loss of customers was an injury within the Lanham Act’s zone of
interests, and because the loss was allegedly procured through false and
misleading statements, there was proximate cause.  Though NJ PURE argued that other insurance
companies were more directly injured, Lexmark
rejected a direct competition test. 
Moreover, though the parties didn’t compete in producing insurance policies, they definitely competed in selling insurance policies.
 
However, as to Poe and Elias, Boynton didn’t claim that
their alleged misrepresentations caused customers to end business relations
with Boynton, so there was no standing. 
(Once again, lower courts just refuse to end their use of the simple
term “standing” to describe the inquiry, even while applying the standard
Justice Scalia set out.)
 
Many district courts in the Third Circuit have applied a
so-called “slightly heightened” or “intermediate” pleading standard for false
advertising claims under the Lanham Act, because of the “fraudulent” element
necessary in a Lanham Act claim (whatever that means).  (Note also that this so-called standard dates
from before Twiqbal and arguably has
no further function or validity thereafter.) 
Assuming arguendo that the standard applied, Boynton satisfied it.  It alleged that in “May or June of 2012” an
unknown representative of NJ Pure “verbally advised” a representative of OB/GYN
that “NJ PURE had received a favorable rating from A.M. Best Company.”  That was sufficiently detailed to allow NJ
PURE to mount a proper defense.
 
Tortious interference with existing contract claims also
survived against NJ PURE, though not claims for future economic advantage;
Boynton claimed that it lost a customer to NJ PURE, it didn’t allege facts
showing expected future economic benefits from that customer other than those
obtained under its existing contract.

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What is ICE seizing?

Early lessons from my FOIA suit against ICE, which has
finally resulted in an initial document production: (1) ICE might as well not
be keeping records about what it seizes. 
The variations include everything from “suspected counterfeit”
[particularly informative!], “counterfeit T-shirts,” “counterfeit NFL shirts,” “NFL
shirts,” “Buffalo Bills shirts,” “sample,” and other variants I no doubt
missed. 

(2) Spelling is very much hit or miss, and it seems likely (given errors in spelling the generic terms accompanying brand names)
that the spelling variations are often produced by the people doing the data
entry, which means it’s impossible to tell whether the seized suspected
counterfeits are near-perfect or the kind of shanzhai misspellings that signal
inauthenticity to all but the most careless/least proficient in English.  (Dolfins! 
Qowboys!)

(3) They haven’t produced any photos, so it’s impossible to
get a sense of the quality of the seized items and, again, whether they are
obvious counterfeits.

(4) I’m pretty curious as to why the “Beer pong hat,” and “marijuana
hat” were seized, but there’s no explanation in the list I have.

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New right of publicity website

A great new resource has arrived!  Jennifer Rothman of Loyola-LA has created Rothman’s Roadmap to the Right
of Publicity
: a 50-state interactive survey of right of publicity laws,
plus breaking news.  Check it out!

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DMCA doesn’t block reverse engineering of vehicle diagnosis software but TM might

Ford Motor Co. v. Autel US Inc., No.14-13760 (E.D. Mich.
Sept. 30, 3015)
 
Apart from cars and trucks, Ford sells automotive repair
products. Among them is Ford’s Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS system) which
diagnoses potential problems with Ford vehicles and guides their service and
repair. The hardware components of the IDS system include a 16-pin diagnostic
link which sends information from the vehicle to the on-board computer system.  The software component  receives information from the hardware and
produces diagnoses and recommends repairs based on the information it receives.
 
The IDS software contains various data compilations. Ford
alleged that some of the compilations within the IDS software were trade
secrets.  One compilation was the “FFData
file,” allegedly a trade secret protected through encryption and obfuscation
technology (the latter being designed to defeat reverse engineering by making
the code obscure to any unauthorized attempted reverse engineer).  Autel allegedly created a program to
circumvent Ford’s security measures and access the FFData file without
authorization, then inserted the FFData file into a vehicle diagnosis and
repair product that competes with Ford’s IDS System.
 
Ford also alleged trademark infringement, because a screenshot
of the Autel DS708’s electronic menu screen shows the Ford Oval alongside the
logos of Chrysler and General Motors on the “USA” menu option.
 
Copyright: In the Sixth Circuit, pleading copyright
infringement requires greater particularity than usual because of the potential
for harassment suits.  Ford’s copyright
registration for a data compilation, CALID_VIDQID_REC, presumptively
established its originality. But Ford didn’t adequately plead copying of
protectable elements—the copyright in a factual compilation is thin.  Ford alleged that “detailed technical
analysis of data files stored on Autel’s DS708 device shows that the FFData
file is duplicated on Autel’s DS708 device.” 
This didn’t necessarily mean that the selection, coordination, and arrangement
of the data, which was all that Ford could protect, were copied on Autel’s
device.  General allegations of
infringement that don’t identify specific infringing materials are insufficient
to state a claim under Rule 12(b)(6), and the plaintiff needs to describe the
manner in which the defendant’s work infringes.
 
Ford’s § 1201 claim was also inadequately pled.  Ford apparently alleged violations of §§
1201(a)(1) and 1201(a)(2): circumvention of access controls and trafficking in
access control circumvention devices. 

The court first, mistakenly, accepted Autel’s argument that Ford failed to
allege that it owned a valid copyright at the time of the alleged
circumvention, because Ford’s registration of its compilation was
post-circumvention.  Registration, of
course, is not a condition of validity, though Ford apparently didn’t offer any
argument on this point.  Lexmark said that §1201 requires a
plaintiff “to show that the ‘technological measure’ at issue “controls access
to a work protected under this title,” which means the claimed work has to be
original enough to protect (but not registered).
 
Second, Autel argued that Ford failed to allege that Autel’s
circumvention was for an improper purpose. 
The Sixth Circuit has stated that “the DMCA’s anti-circumvention
provision was designed to support the efforts of copyright owners to protect
their works from piracy behind digital walls such as encryption codes or
password protections by banning the use, manufacture, or sale  of technologies that circumvent digital
copyright controls,” and adopted Judge Merritt’s concurrence in Lexmark finding that
 
The legislative history of the DMCA
makes clear that the anti- circumvention provision is not intended to function
as a comprehensive ban on all circumvention technologies; rather, its purpose
is to prevent those technologies from being used as a tool for copyright
infringement and to provide remedies for copyright holders against individuals
and entities who facilitate the widespread unauthorized reproduction of
copyrighted works by making such technologies available to the public.
 
That means plaintiffs must plead and prove “a purpose to
pirate on the part of defendants.”  This
the complaint did not allege.  Thus the
court didn’t reach Autel’s third argument, which was that its circumvention was
permissible reverse engineering.
 
The trademark infringement claims, however, survived (they
didn’t need particularity, though the abusive litigation concern seems just as
large with trademark as with copyright). 
Ford argued that Autel’s use of its logos and listing of the program
“Ford V2.10” under the Ford Oval in Autel’s DS708 device. Autel argued that
source confusion was unlikely because it was only using the Ford Oval, along
with the GM Logo and the Chrysler Logo, so that the DS708’s users could choose
the correct diagnostic program that will be compatible with their respective
vehicle manufacturer.  The court found
the allegations sufficient: Autel’s use of Ford’s allegedly world-famous logo
was “on its menu screen,” and it used the actual logo with distinctive shape,
color and lettering.  Plus, post-sale
confusion is actionable in the Sixth Circuit. 
Nor could fair use be evaluated on a motion to dismiss.  (The court mashed up descriptive and
nominative fair use, quoting the descriptive fair use test but apparently
understanding that the use was, according to Autel, referential/nominative,
citing Volkswagen AG v. Dorling Kindersley Pub., Inc., 614 F. Supp. 2d 793, 800
(E.D. Mich. 2009) (“the Court finds that the VW EMBLEM is used only to describe
the actual vehicle. Accordingly, the claim is barred by the fair use defense as
a matter of law.”).)
 
Ford’s state law trademark claim survived, as did its claim
under the Michigan Uniform Trade Secrets Act. 
I would have assumed that reverse engineering was a lawful means of
acquiring the relevant information even if Ford tried to block the reverse
engineering.  Thus, though Ford didn’t
need to plead with particularity what about its program was a trade secret, I
don’t understand how it pled an improper method of acquisition.  Ford’s state law unjust enrichment claim was,
however, based solely on Autel’s alleged misappropriation of Ford’s trade
secrets and thus was preempted by the state trade secrets statute.

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Notre Dame Roundtable on Drassinower, Part 4

Session IV
Subject Matter and Limitations
 
           Rebecca
Tushnet
 
Drassinower defines trademark as the right to completely
control the meaning of a mark as applied to a good or service: radically
unidirectional, like a one-way traffic sign, and a trademark is not and should
not be that!  Government (one-way sign)
versus corporate (they’d like you to think that).  Book says: TM is not an invitation requesting
a response/dialogue.  But I think that’s
another slippage between the work and the copy, in Mark Rose’s terms.  In a sense, you’re not invited to modify a
particular copy of a book even if you’re invited to engage in a dialogue.  To the extent that the invitation is a
commercial one in the TM sense, that’s ok.
 
We’re allowed to talk about a Mickey Mouse operation, or a
Cadillac health plan.  Genericide occurs
when people talk back.  Urban white
Englishpeople using Burberry; African-Americans adopting Timberlakes.  This overstatement is natural because he is
trying to find a way to distinguish © from TM, and without a strong conception
of influence on purchasing decisions—aka
materiality—TM doesn’t have the kind of core that can be identified and
distinguished from ©, since it is indeed about communication between producers
and consumers.
 
When doubt arises as to whether it’s an indicator of source,
Drassinower says, TM fails—but can still be valid and also part of a
conversation.
 
Relatedly, Drassinower says: A trademark addresses others as
consumers rather than speakers.  But
self-understanding of marketers is now as TMs as branding strategy—intent is
absolutely to address them as speakers, to penetrate their consciousness, to
interact w/them on Twitter.
 
First Amendment concept: consumers and speakers are the same
people. Once we give corporate speakers protection, it becomes harder and
harder to distinguish speaking from selling things—a particular kind of
conduct.  This is something that needs to
be addressed in 1A doctrine more generally.
 
           Mark
McKenna
By definition TM is an invitation to respond; whether it
is/functions as a TM depends entirely on how consumers respond.
 
Striking resemblance b/t using a © work as a work (his
concept of infringement) and the concept of use of a mark as a mark. TM rights aren’t in gross; they are relational, rights
to use in a particular setting. Copying as such is not infringement unless it
has a certain kind of effect. Once you define a TM that way it’s easy to work
out what infringement must be.  © too, to
Drassinower, isn’t a right in gross.  So
there’s less need to resist property than you think.
 
Lessons from TM: there’s always been a TM use requirement;
the problem is you immediately descend into addit’l Qs. From whose perspective
do you evaluate whether there is a TM use? Is it based on consumer perception,
or inherent in the nature of the use. That relates to what kind of evidence
you’d want. Au-tomotive Gold:
keychains made from car symbols aren’t being used as TM, D says, we’re using it
ornamentally—court can’t wrap its head around that idea. No conversation in the
case about how you would know it’s a
TM use.
 
Drassinower makes a similar move: to infringe is to use a
work in a particular way. How will a judge know whether a use has been a use as
a work?  Evidence of consumers or
not?  TM use ground to a halt b/c courts
couldn’t figure out how to apply it—just collapsed into likely confusion.  If it’s perceived from viewers’ perspective,
are you just asking whether there’s substantial similarity? Is there a difference
between non-use and non-infringement?
 
TM law also expanded during the same time and its growth at
least coincided with if wasn’t caused by massive rhetoric shift to consumer
protection—interesting question about what kinds of rhetoric bound rights and
which enable their expansion. Could we say something similar about certain
instrumentalist language in ©?
 
           Pam
Samuelson
 
Charmed by the book too; thinks it accounts for maybe 55% of
© as we know it.  Good identification of
types of copying that aren’t copying that © law should be worried about.  But reproduction may not ever really harm an
author. What harms authors is public dissemination, distribution,
communication. That suggests that your regime only requires one exclusive
right: dissemination to the public.  Maybe
that also means that © only ought to attach on publication.
 
One benefit: wouldn’t need as many exceptions. 
 
Moral rights: accept a moral right of attribution but not
integrity under this view?  Also related
to transfers—authors may be unhappy with fate after transfers.  Nadine Gordimer: swore off licensing after
one work was mangled in movie version. 
Of course, under Drassinower’s modality, she has no right to say
anything b/c no derivative works right. Does she have a right to a
disclaimer?  She doesn’t think the
reproduction right is totally overlapping w/ deriv works right, though Nimmer
does—still need to answer the Q about the scope of the right that gets to be
infringed; what should be done w/nonliteral infringements?
 
Final issue: secondary liability is probably the biggest
deal in © right now, and she’s not sure what happens to it in Drassinower’s
theory.
 
Disagrees w/his interpretation of Baker v. Selden: even if you could find expression in forms Selden
published, someone using that to keep accounting books would not be an
infringer; we agree on that, and Mrs. Selden was trying to make everyone using
the accounting forms pay.  Not w/in the
scope of ©. Where we disagree: Baker was speaking Selden’s forms. He had a book
in competition w/Selden.  The compelled
speech issue doesn’t work here.  The SCt
didn’t just let off all the users of the forms, but also let Baker off—the
second person gets to utter the speech as a necessary instance of using the system.
 
McKenna: in TM, you often have the difficulty that consumers
understand things differently—which group of consumers wins? Functionality has
an answer to that—if it’s doing something other than indicating source, that
wins. You’ll have the same Q here with people doing various things to the work.
 
Drassinower: didn’t mean to say that you can’t speak about
the TM.  Not completely controlled—only
controlled as indicator of source.  That
is the subject matter of the right, and so loss of control of that meaning is
loss of the TM.  The harm at issue is
paradigmatically confusion—the right to control the meaning is to have oneself
as the source (of course successful infringement leaves that meaning intact!).  The reason I need it is to characterize © as
having something to do with dialogue, juxtaposed with something communicative
but not dialogic.  Consumer may or may
not be a speaker, but passively receives. 
The activity of consumer is distinct from response of another author.
 
McKenna: the specificity of TM is inviting a particular kind
of response b/c of the nature of the communication—purchase related.
 
RT: If you want something that’s communicative and
unidirectional, how about the law itself? Traffic laws, the police officer—they
are communicating but not inviting dialogue. 
 
Drassinower: it would be clearer if I granted that the
audience/consumer is not passive. The exchange of information b/t purchaser and
seller is in the context of sale.
 
Silbey: difference b/t © and TM is also evidenced by the
durational rules of each.
 
DiCola: Katy Perry Left Shark example: it’s the audience
that made the meaning; some kind of dialogue is happening between producers and
consumers.  Language of value might be
helpful too: the audience made the meaning. 
 
Drassinower: interesting question about role of substantial
similarity: audience issues. 
 
Silbey: not much seems to be left of derivative work or even
substantial similarity after the book’s theory.
 
Samuelson: which leads us to the point that the book doesn’t
leave us with much idea of what the boundary would be.
 
Debate b/t Samuelson and Drassinower over what Baker stands for.  Samuelson: Baker was using the forms to
communicate; he wasn’t a user of the forms. He was using the forms to
communicate his own competing book/explanation of the system.
 
Drassinower: use as part of system is devoid of liability—but
according to my theory they could be infringed by use of the forms to explain
the system in another publication.  And
he interprets Baker to say that by
its own terms.  Samuelson says he’s
fastening on a single phrase and not looking at the cases that follow it and
the overall context of the case.
 
DiCola: language of the case has some equivocal moments, but
the fact that Baker published a book undermines the distinction you’re trying
to draw, because he still won.  Baker v. Selden is about competition—it’s
making a decision about market structure for accounting books. 
 
RT: Then couldn’t you see Baker as a secondary liability case, if it’s about competition to
provide these forms as well as the system/its explanation?  Which goes to Mark McKenna’s concerns about
what counts as © use under Drassinower’s system.
 
Gordon: even if Baker
doesn’t align with its historical explanation, Congress enshrined the
distinction in its building/use distinction in §113—building a described thing
isn’t infringement.  Leg. history: a drawing
of a car = no right over the actual car. 
Baker stands for limitations
on copyrightability and limitations on scope of rights, enshrined in statute.
 
Heymann: consider the protests by musicians who don’t like
use of their music in political campaigns: they consider it compelled speech,
but they don’t own the ©.  This harm
sounds more like defamation.  Is
compelled speech necessarily tied to ©? 
The same harm happens in other ways through works.
 
Sprigman: design patent—typefaces—aren’t these speech too,
subject to the same compelled speech objections as paintings?  If art is speech, isn’t industrial design
speech?
 
Drassinower: use as tools v. use as works: Google Books—use as
tools distinction is in Baker and it
can help answer Google and other products. So use of the toaster as a toaster
would be ok.
 
Sprigman: A speech focused © law without adopting the 1A’s
definition of speech?
 
Drassinower: Yep (and sensibly so, I think).
 
Samuelson: can’t conceive of a use in which Baker’s use of
the Selden forms would be infringing. Your reading is about dicta.  Otherwise Baker would be an infringer.
 
Also, the distinction between patent and copyright isn’t as
sharp as we’d all like. One can engineer a document; both inventors and authors
think and behave in highly similar ways. The question of what’s protectable in
a computer program must be addressed even if you take it out of ©. Notion of
authorial creativity and technological creativity doesn’t exhaust the realms of
creativity—authorship and invention as the two metaphors have trapped
us/distracted us.
 
Balganesh steps in to defend Drassinower’s view of Baker, given that the SCt called the
book of forms a “work” closer to the method than works usually are, making the
opinion contradictory.
 
Gordon: but that’s true of any method—an implementation will
be more like a method than like a novel.
 
Samuelson:  The Ct
thought that useful arts were usually made of metal or stone; this one was
actually embodied in a writing, and it’s that the Court referenced when it said
that the useful art, even embodied in a book, was treated like the useful art
made of metal.  [Then Gordon &
Samuelson discuss the role of merger in Baker—Samuelson
blames the Nimmer treatise for calling Baker
the origin of merger and then taking that as license to ignore the method of
operation etc. exclusions in the statute.]
 
Madison: In 1A the availability of alternatives is sometimes
used to justify a particular speech restriction—similar to how merger is
analyzed in ©. 
 
Sprigman: Typeface: why not cover it? You’re proposing a
deep structure that unifies things within the subject matter of ©.
 
Drassinower: Doesn’t think fonts are act of authorship.
 
Sprigman: maybe you’re saying you want a hurdle before you
allow the © switch to be turned on.
 
Drassinower: my system has to say there are phenomena that
flip the © switch; there’s no domain distinction between mark, work, invention
without one.
 
Sprigman: my domain distinction would be need for incentive:
we’re not living in a font-free hellscape.
 
McKenna: you’re having the conversation about fonts b/c it
seems to you that they might fit the contours of what’s proposed (you’re not having
the conversation about mousetraps), and that suggests you’re agreeing that’s
the right question.
 
Drassinower: agrees.
 
Rebecca Curtin: if we used this language to talk to the
public, would that be less chilling of uses that we think are fair?
 
Drassinower: hopes that’s right—part of what he was trying
to do.  If this were the grammar, instead
of value, it would undo the suspicion of copying.
 
 

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Notre Dame Roundtable on Drassinower, Parts 2 & 3

Session II – The Work as Dialogue
 
           Mike
Madison
 
An element in the book: The “work” is a Macguffin.  The the thing that holds our attention/draws
the narrative together while not necessarily having meaning in and of itself.
 
A book about concepts/conceptual framework.  Error to ask too much in doctrinal
solutions/payoffs/nuances of © on the ground. 
Complicated landscape of how works get created, not singular author/text.  Speech as part of community/co-creation.  Drassinower’s story is not set up to process
at the institutional level. 
 
What is the agency of the audience?  If it really is a dialogic process, then
there is a back and forth.  Book spends
most time on authorial side, less on audience. 
Also, materiality: material presence of the work is part of the
understanding of what’s going on with the work.
 
           Laura
Heymann
Intermediate step of audience is important b/c helps
understand whether second individual is speaking as an author or merely for an
author.  Multiple instances in which
intent is a bad standard for authorship: Prince’s deposition in Cariou;
post-hoc rationalizations. Audience is the way we assess authorship. 
 
Work for hire: is it in some way a fraud, if the audience
perceives the individual as author? 
Transfers issue: the “Cherry Ripe” case, where the photographer sells
the rights to the first phoot and is held to infringe his own work.
 
Compelled speech: someone who engaged in unauthorized
filesharing is in some sense speaking exactly as author intended.  Author didn’t intend to speak to those who
didn’t pay.  (Although that’s a weird way
to divide an audience—and author may well have intended to speak to those
people through radio play, etc.)  Is it
important that others know about it for the insult to the author—being treated
as a puppet?  May be the difference b/t
compelled association and compelled speech.
 
A and B may independently create the same work.  C gets permission from B to speak; has C
caused A to speak as well?  Ties into Qs
of whether attribution matters.  Replicas
of the old masters made in China: how do we think about their production and reception?
 
           Jessica
Silbey
Parrot on the cover of the book: When parrots copy they don’t
speak for themselves—social behavior—a form of practice and engagement.  Not copyright-relevant. 
 
Equality paradigms: equal treatment may result in a denial
of equal opportunities—e.g., failure to accommodate pregnant or nursing
women.  Entitled to certain needs in
order to facilitate opportunities. 
Denial can be a form of denigration or domination.  As compared to antidiscrimination,
antidominance is about subjugation, which compelled speech could be part of.
 
Deliberate freedoms/capabilities approach: equality
deprivation is assessed not by whether other people have them but what is a
denial of dignity/autonomy.  Drassinower
relies on equal dignity/substantive equality—fuller connection to dominance
would be useful. He says dominance over another’s work is piracy; personal/private
engagement w/ a work is not dominance and fulfills the work’s destiny.  Equal dignity seems to require
nonsubordination, but being enjoined from speaking another’s words is a form of
control—lawful mutual restraint.
 
Independent creation and the primacy of the public domain
are underneath the explanation of legitimate restraint.  We level up: freedom to, not freedom
from.  If copyright as balance is war,
than equal dignity is peace: the quality you’re striving for as a person.  Necessary consequence is no derivative works
right: that would impose an impermissible hierarchy of authors.
 
Interference w/work is not so much inequality but unfreedom.
So we’re back to the freedom from/freedom to divide.
 
           Chris
Sprigman
© is a world of sequential innovation; must trade off ex
post and ex ante interests.  Some
external justification we’re trying to maximize?  Joint productivity?  Or a rights-based account as here, a
reciprocal relationship between first and second-comers.
 
Instrumentalism provides a weak normative basis at best for ©;
impoverished account of progress/the thing we’re supposed to be treating as a
maximand. You don’t get an understanding of progress solely through observing
the world; you need to have an idea of what it is.
 
More broadly, efficiency is a weak normative justification
for anything. 
 
Justify v. specify: lawyers deal with specification. How do
we tradeoff between Cariou’s rights and Prince’s?  Rights-based theories have little to say
about this.  P. 211: discussion of Pruneyard—need to assess gravity of
impairment of rights to each.  Sprigman
thinks you can’t do that with anything internal to the rights based account;
you need an external referent.  You are not
judging impairment of right but deciding to shape the right, using
utilitarianism.  Like Rawls, which shapes
rights according to the sum of a bunch of utility calculations in the original
position (how well off am I?).
 
Maybe this cafeteria model is ok: deontic model providing broad
outer constraints; then specifying details of the law with an external
referent, like here a deeper concept of progress, then treat that as a
maximand.  This may be difficult,
contestable, often imprecise, but that’s about where we are.
 
Gordon: still puzzled about why we want to allow people to
control the way their speech is used in the world.  For example: pro-choice book of interviews
w/women who’s had abortions or given a baby up for adoption; anti-choice author
wants to use these accounts. 
 
Drassinower: that’s fair use. The interest I try to describe
doesn’t track an author’s desires or wants. 
You can’t publish on condition that your ideas aren’t discussed.
 
Madison: The Chinese painters in Dafen are using the source
work as a work.  Audiences in hotel rooms
know it’s not an original. What is the nature of their engagement?
 
Drassinower: Mousetrap and poem both require skill; but the
types are different. Just as translators do something deeply sophisticated, so
do Dafen’s copiers, but that doesn’t make them authors. We can quibble about
whether activity is located in right place in our distinction, but the whole
endeavor depends on us being able to make the distinction.
 
Rebecca Curtin: translation. Consider Seamus Heaney’s
translation of Beowulf: what he does is absolutely a translation, but also uses
a lot of Irish words, feminized images; his project was to undermine that
nationalist epic of England.  There is
clearly compelled speech there if we assume the monk wouldn’t sign on to this
project. But Heaney is also communicating using this other speech.
 
Drassinower: one answer is to call him not a
translator.  When to call someone a
translator is the question.  Don’t have
to have an answer in any particular case—just a translator can’t be an author
b/c she is translating into another medium. There are factual qs about whether
a particular instance is transformative. 
He wants to shape how we frame the Q.
 
Underneath all utilitarianism is a rights-based theory, b/c
you are distinguishing persons (who have utility) from other animals (which can
also have utility/experience)—fundamentally rights theories say that there is a
difference b/t persons and things.
 
[stepped out for lunch]
 
1:00 p.m.-­2:30 p.m.  Session III
Speech vs. Value
 
           Rebecca
Curtin
[came in late from lunch] Is the proprietary right idea as
hostile to the author as the book believes?
 
           Peter DiCola
Utilitarian maximand is unclear: works, creativity, number
of creative workers/authors. Sympathetic to the idea that utilitarianism and
deontological approaches are in eternal death struggle that no one will win.
Both are different sides of the same whole: instances in which the good is best
described as maximizing value and others in which it is best described as a
deontological commitment.  What if we
picked, including between subjective well-being and preference maximization, a
huge dispute in utilitarianism.  Does
that distinction have anything to do w/the emptiness of the version of
utilitarianism at work in © balancing?
 
A good (in utilitarian terms) could be a process, not a
commodity.  Can perhaps help understand
why liberty/autonomy are valuable.
 
Drassinower says: Economists are saying: legal lines like
originality are proxies to find value (or value that should be privatized?)
despite Type I and Type II errors.  Drassinower
finds this aesthetically unsatisfying, which he gets—doesn’t really seem to
explain the doctrines in detail. 
 
Systemic analysis is required: one user taping one show is
not the issue. It’s a question of how the industries will be organized and the
effects of these behaviors on a large, repeated but unorganized scale.  Is an implicit assumption of the methodology
atomistic, assuming a core dispute between one author and one user?  Is that necessary to the approach?
 
Quite useful to show how the models ignore the infinite
chain of creators we see in reality—a better explanation of the public domain
than rather arbitrarily picking one author and calling them “first” and another
“second-comer.”
 
           Glynn
Lunney
Economist: Drassinower challenges his life’s work.
 
Deriv work right and protection for computer programs: not
consistent w/theory/should be excluded from ©: why were these data points
excluded from your “looking at the world” method.  What if the plaintiff didn’t know about the
copying—is there a puppetry problem? 
What about subconscious copying—it seems that’s still making the
plaintiff the puppet, just not on purpose.
 
Other doctrines that aren’t explained: why have criminal
liability (patent doesn’t)?  Economics
can offer a more sensible reason (less of a problem with fly-by-night patent
infringement), as can political economy (lobbying).
 
Other doctrines can be explained instrumentally: limited
times.  Realms that neither patent nor
copyright covers, left to the workings of the market—why not?  Patent has no independent creation doctrine
for economically rational reasons—independent invention is common and allowing
all would dissipate the benefits/destroy the incentives, while truly
exact/substitutable independent creation isn’t; Ants and Bugs are not
perfect substitutes.
 
Length of © didn’t really matter until we got the internet,
which allowed out of print books to have a second life.  Low protectionism got a boost from online
empirics.  Will we get another 20-year
term extension before 2018? Empirical/instrumental approach has opportunities
to influence policy now.
 
The wrong of copying: he doesn’t see the moral wrong as
compelled speech, but as misrepresentation/misattribution.  He wants lots of copying, but he wants the
credit for being right.
 
           Amy
Kapczynski
Likes starting w/Feist
to show that an economic perspective can’t explain what © is. 
 
Community/self-constituting nature of authorship helps
explain the difference between compelling commercial speech (ok) and compelled
political speech (not ok).  But
corporations have all sorts of © ownership—here they’re given full rights,
w/minor differences for WFH.  Does that
have to go under Drassinower’s theory? 
You need to explain 90% of © with a doctrinalist account; if you can’t
explain most of it, then something else is at stake.
 
Likewise, book may not explain low required level of
originality: does writing the shampoo narrative on the bottle embody the
communication of a speaking being to another? 
 
Sprigman: tractability of a problem is important, but not
the only thing. The best minds of their generations elaborated Ptolemaic
astronomy, as we’ve wasted the best minds on constitutional law (hey!). 
 
Drassinower: explicitly metaphorical agenda.  Try to think about different metaphors for ©.
It may be that compelled speech is very different in the First Amendment
context, but the speech trope was helpful in talking about the public domain as
something immanent/inherent in ©.
 
In terms of transfers: can see it as the granting of a
right, though it’s true he hasn’t provided a theory of how that takes
place.  Contract doesn’t have to mean
transfers of property/commodities; can be licenses.
 
Thinks he has captured most of © in making his critique—an immanent
critique: Feist attempts to carve out
a specific domain for © from the sphere of value.  It’s very hard to have a non-negotiable
public domain once you start calculating balance—just b/c we’re “winning” more
user rights cases now doesn’t mean that there’s a solid foundation.
 
It’s true that lay concept of copying isn’t necessarily
compelled speech—but it’s also not “you’re minimizing my welfare!”
 
Mark McKenna: Old unfair competition cases are rife with
natural law concepts, but also make clear that property is not in the mark as
such, but in the relation. You may be identifying property as a thingification,
focused on the work as such, but the property interest could be defined in a
similar way—not the work.  Is there
anything lost by a sufficiently careful definition of the property interest—an interest
in a use rather than an easement or something like that. 
 
Drassinower: committed to the idea that authors speak, they
don’t own.  The proprietary language
misdescribes the relation. 
Performances/works of authorship/expression—they aren’t property
concepts.  Yeats: Vehicles of meaning can’t
be owned by someone other than the thinker.
 
Madison: there’s a slippage in the dialogue about legal
categories of property/things, then the phenomenal character of what actually
happens when author and audience engage in some way. Requires a lot of nuance
to keep track of which level you’re operating at.
 
Samuelson: author’s perspective: this is mine is not just
about this is my speech, for some authors. 
Self-conception as autonomous person may require concept of ownership.
 
Sprigman: Peggy Radin would say that property isn’t an
instrumentalist concept. 
 
Drassinower: I don’t think that the idea that a work is
property is consistent with the idea that an identical copy, in some
circumstances, is not property.  The act
of producing the thing.
 
McKenna: TM is that way—one mark isn’t property in a
completely different field/use.
 
Drassinower: speech discourse/property discourse are
different, even as rights discourses. 
 
McKenna: property isn’t inevitably that: property law has
been warped, though.  The history you’re
working with is the same period I worked with in TM history.  So he doesn’t think a lot rides on the
property distinction if you have a more nuanced sense of what property was that
ws true of the courts that developed the TM concept. 
 
Drassinower: I can’t reject that easily the idea that
property requires thingification. 
 
Silbey: First Amendment—there are so many parts of the 1A
consistent w/Drassinower’s theory, especially early 1A doctrine before
distortion by corporate speech/corporate personhood.  Speech as attribute of dignity and
citizenship in public sphere as well
as just political sphere. More to say about how the 1A imagines the public
domain as primary/radically nonfungible. 
As free speech maximalism has (supposedly) taken over the SCt, the
public domain is shrinking!  Creators
believe in right of property/radical nonfungibility of free speech: this is an
inconsistency for them but really profoundly felt.  Low level of originality is an easy place to
resolve the inconsistency, though—creators don’t think the shampoo bottle text
should qualify.
 
Garnett: it’s totally ok to be a thing person (property is a
thing) instead of a bundle person in property. Maybe you can’t just make up
relational rights and call them property; maybe that doesn’t make sense of what’s
going on.
 
Madison: there’s progressive pushback even on the thing
side.  It’s possible to use
thingification to achieve certain goals, but intuitively Drassinower doesn’t
feel it.
 
Balganesh: To Kant, exclusion was critical, so it’s
understandable from a Kantian.

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Notre Dame Roundtable on Drassinower, part 1

Notre Dame Roundtable, What’s Wrong with Copying? (Abraham
Drassinower’s book)
Sponsored by the Program on Law and Market Behavior
 
8:40 a.m.-­10:15 a.m. Session I
Methodology and Implications
 
           Mark Rose
Historical approach: rights to manuscript or to the “copy,”
an intangible thing.  Drassinower
reinterprets Lord Mansfield’s approach as distinguishing between the manuscript
and the copy, which makes him in some sense a supporter of infinite common-law
copyright.  But there remains an
ambiguity in the old term “copy”—used to refer to a right rather than a thing,
but also to a thing—this ambiguity persists into the 20th century.  But Drassinower is telling a philosophical
story, not a historical one; he doesn’t need to understand things the way that
historical figures did.
 
           Shyam
Balganesh
Elegant and compelling. 
Focus here on clusters of issues: Formalism v. realism.  Identify essential characteristics of a
topic, then develop coherent approach. 
Drassinower attempts this for copyright law/originality.  Foundational/middle-level principles.  How then do you determine the essential
characteristics of copyright?  Compare to
(claimed) empiricism of American approaches—knowledge is only ever discernible
through sense experiences, rather than rationalism’s reasoned principles which
claim they’re the only way of making sense of the world, though incapable of
being empirically tested.  There is a
spectrum between empiricism and faith, and Drassinower shows how you can do
that.  (Compare Lemley on faith-basedIP.)
 
Internal challenges to his construction of rationality: (1)
Institutional origin. Most efforts at internal intelligibility have been judicial/common
law.  Common law isn’t “made” but “exists.”
Maybe a legal fiction, but courts conceive of themselves as finding what
immanently existed. Not clearly so with copyright.  Does the constraint of intelligibility carry
over when the insitutional creator may not have intended the intelligibility
Drassinower searches for?  (2) Static v.
dynamic account of rationality: Drassinower seems to take rationality as
existing cross-time. Within common law, some scholars suggest radical semantic
evolution has occurred: concepts originally constructed the theory, but
consequentialism takes over and the underlying semantics morph. Moral ideal
comes through as cost-benefit analysis. Why not ©?  Originality may have begun with equal dignity
of authorship, but why not evolution to a value-based conception?  (3) Compatibility: if we have © to promote
authorship, institutional design features might value authorship too or might
have instrumentalism in the granular features.
 
           Wendy
Gordon
Rule of law that says no liability unless there’s a
connection to the deep purposes of this law—result: unpredictability
inconsistent w/ needs of notice that make law fair. It’s a consequential claim,
but if you were behind the veil of ignorance, you should figure out if you want
perfect fit/expensive system or normal legal budget/some lack of fit.  Most people would choose the latter.
 
Still: loves the book! The speakers we most want to distort
the message of are those in power—speak in their own language. If © is about
the ability to freeze one’s own language, no reason to accept it—right of
integrity is an immoral right from
the perspective of American iconoclasm. If we took seriously the notion the law
should support preservation of speech in unchanged form, trademark would also
be implicated, but Drassinower says that’s not expression.  Difficulty seeing shift to plaintiff’s
expressive integrity as a value.
 
Can use Drassinower-like analysis in a way that doesn’t rest
on desirability of freezing the speech. 
Pay attention to whether defendant copied/performed plaintiff’s
expression—it’s not a question of physical copying, but of duplication of
speech for same purposes. Proximate cause/negligence analogy: P must show that
the harm is foreseeable; proximate cause serves the function of relieving D
from liability resulting from harm unrelated to the reason for the rule.  Example of a musical composition reused as
wallpaper because of the visual beauty of the way the notes are placed on the
paper.  Drassinower would say: no
liability; Gordon would say: is protection worth it in light of uncertainty and
other practical issues?
 
           Steve
Yelderman
What he thought of as limitations and exceptions in
Drassinower’s formulation look like internal limits, or not even limits at all—natural
consequence of what copyright is. Not
just a theory of fair use, but a theory of ©. 
 
A personhood right specific to the author against
publication of previously unpublished work: the core notion of
wrongfulness.  Even if the information is
already out there, the violation of autonomy still seems to apply in cases of
non-use like Google indexing that Drassinower would exclude as purely
mechanical. 
 
How does the limited term match up with the idea of a
personhood right? Why should copyright in unpublished works ever end, if this
is not just a privacy interest. 
Drassinower argues that published/unpublished works shouldn’t be
distinguished in terms of whether further publication is offensive to the
author’s interest. 
 
Glynn Lunney: Book talks about equality of speakers. Not always
clear whether that means equality of opportunity or outcome. Less gifted may
wish to copy from more gifted (I wrote a bit about this in Copy This Essay).  Why not fixation
as the key doctrine? 
 
Abraham Drassinower: Self-understanding as empirical: what
is it that ©/authorship does?  Then its
logic unfolds.  Central claim: copyright
represents a value of originality—there’s a great deal of black-letter law on
that point.  Just finding it there, not
coming up with it.  There’s no way to get
a theory of © from a theory that © works have value—you need to distinguish
them from other things that have value, like patent.  Distinction between tangible and intangible
doesn’t get you there.  Facts aren’t
tangible, and they aren’t subject to © either.
 
Amy Kapyczinski (I think; I’m not physically present):
something to the desire not to associate with someone else who republishes your
words, even if they were published—authors get very upset; feels like forced
association. 
 
Gordon: the label “this is not authorized” may make a
difference—your problem might be taken care of—this disclaimer possibility
makes the compelled speech argument less apposite.
 
Q: no, I’d still be irked, but maybe it would take away some
of her anger.
 
Chris Sprigman: Empiricism usually requires a hypothesis,
which is informed by theory.  It’s not the
opposite of theory.  Book says © is
drowning in empiricism, but there are really only puddles. We actually have a
flood of crap empiricism.  People have
ideas, Chicago 1.0 ideas, which aren’t empirical but are basic rational choice
economics, and they don’t think it is important to see if that makes sense in
the real world—truncated empiricism. That’s what Lemley seems to be reacting to
more than anything else in his faith-based paper.  Drassinower is also reacting to that, and
rightly so.
 
Mike Madison: Larry Lessig wrote about compelled speech
about 15 years ago; never got worked out. 
Patent students tend to be gobsmacked by abstraction and ambiguity of ©
and TM.  One of the things he tells them
is that patent abstracts from actual human experience pretty quickly to design
a legal system around inventive practice and scientific communities: invention
is artificially created legal object. © and TM have closer proximity to actual
day to day experience of knowledge, and that’s ambiguous and evolving; layering
law as closely as we try to do over it with TM and © is difficult and explains
some limits of method of abstracting stories from observed doctrinal outcomes;
avoids some of the messy questions/evidence.
 
Drassinower: Trying to understand a practice to make it more
coherent—given how messy the law is, the fact of being able to tell a story
that is recognizable as reaching the fundamentals is itself amazing.  Don’t have to account for every piece of
mess; but also don’t want to reduce history to theory. 
 
RT: compelled speech discussion—authors here sound just like
commercial speakers protesting against mandatory disclosures.  Possible lesson: Can have reasons for
allowing compelled speech related to the overall system of speech
(informational content with commercial speech or second speaker’s expressive
interests with ©) or reasons related to the overall system of government
(health and safety for commercial speech, antitrust perhaps for ©/compulsory
licensing). 
 
Balganesh: Rationalism is not inconsistent with saying “I’m
just trying to make sense of the world.” 
That doesn’t make you an empiricist. 
You aren’t looking for falsifiable experiments; any piece of evidence
wouldn’t show you are mistaken.
 
Drassinower: the world could show I was mistaken. 
 
Balganesh: You’re not willing to abandon the idea that
infringement is about compelled speech.
 
Drassinower: making sense of something that exists.
 
Balganesh: interpretive lens, not going to change b/c of
outlying (in your view) examples/instances.
 
Drassinower: methodological assumption is that © does have a
distinctive story to be told.
 
Balganesh: that’s what makes you a committed rationalist.
 
Silbey: there’s a difference b/t how empiricism proves
things and what different disciplines count as proof—history, literature,
economics—be clear about one v. another. 
Drassinower says this is a disciplinary investigation within a
philosophical/legal tradition. 
Empiricism is a harder question. 
Reproducibility?
 
Drassinower: the world I investigate has principles that can
be found—not all in my head.  Resist
concept of “rationalist” b/c doesn’t believe I’m imposing principles from my
head.
 
Sprigman: the stakes are to distinguish this from the bad
empiricism we’re drowning in.  Where is
the idea that authorship is originality from?
 
Pam Samuelson: what is essential about ©: How about
transfers?  Transfers of © happen all the
time, but Drassinower’s book doesn’t really address that, though transfers
matter quite a bit to authors.  Part of
the reason why questions have arisen about whether you’re rationalist or
empiricist, b/c empiricist would notice that transfers are part of the system.
 
Drassinower: nothing I say is inconsistent w/ transfers—just
a mechanism authors may use.  Selling
their speech.  There should be limits on
transfers.
 
Samuelson: requiring signed writings speaks to the dignity
of authorship, but other aspects are more difficult to account for if compelled
speech is the only issue.
 
Drassinower: focused on what it is we transfer when we
transfer ©. Someone else could focus on market relations, but that’s not a
difference b/t rationalism and empiricism.

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competition no longer required for Lanham Act “commercial advertising or promotion”

Healthnow New York Inc. v. Catholic Health System, Inc., 2015
WL 5673123, No. 14–CV–986S (W.D.N.Y. Sept. 25, 2015)
 
Healthnow, aka Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Western New
York (BCBS), sued Catholic Health for violations of the Lanham Act and NY’s
GBL, as well as for defamation.  Ads in
church bulletins said:
 
[BCBS] has recently introduced a
new Medicare Advantage product, Senior Blue HMO Select that replaces its
existing Senior Blue HMP–POS 650 plan. This product specifically excludes all
Catholic Health facilities including all hospitals, labs, diagnostic imaging,
rehabilitation centers, home care, and all other sites-services. [BCBS] may not
have adequately communicated this exclusion to its members. Please note that
several other Medicare Advantage plans are available that include access to
Catholic Health.
 
Catholic Health also ran an ad in the Buffalo News during
BCBS’s open enrollment period, which stated in large type “[BCBS] Senior Blue
HMO Select customers will no longer have access to Catholic Health facilities.”
Smaller text included: “While emergency services will still be covered, this
new plan completely eliminates your ability to choose Catholic Health
facilities for services like surgical procedures, home care, rehabilitation,
and other non-emergent care needs. Receiving such services at a Catholic Health
facility will not be covered under this plan.”
 
BCBS alleged that these statements were false and misled
consumers into believing that BCBS didn’t provide coverage for other facilities
not within the Catholic Health System network but, by virtue of their name
(“Mount Saint Mary’s Hospital” or “Brothers of Mercy”), may be perceived to be
a “Catholic” health facility. Letters from Catholic Health’s CEO to current
employees and Catholic Health System retirees were to similar effect, as was an
op-ed he published during the open enrollment period.
 
Catholic Health argued that its statements weren’t
commercial advertising or promotion under the Gordon & Breach test. 
The Second Circuit never adopted the prong requiring
competition between the parties, and Lexmark
means it never will.  Catholic Health also
argued that its statements were not made “for the purpose of influencing
consumers to buy defendant’s goods or services,” another element of Gordon & Breach. However, the
challenged statements allegedly directly affected BCBS’s sales and reputation,
which was cognizable under §43(a).  (That
doesn’t really address the question of whether Catholic Health’s speech was
noncommercial or commercial—noncommercial speech can cause harm to business
goodwill.)  Further citations: Educational
Impact, Inc. v. Danielson No. 14–937(FLW)(LHG), 2015 WL 381332, *13 (D.N.J.
Jan. 28, 2015) (recognizing that Lexmark repudiated the ‘direct-competitor test’
enunciated in Gordon & Breach ); Tobinick v. Novella, No. 9:14–cv–80781,
2015 WL 1191267, *5 n. 10 (S.D. Fla. Mar.16, 2015) (same).
 
As for falsity and misleadingness, BCBS alleged that the
statements were false because Senior Blue HMO Select provides coverage for
emergency care treatment, as well as treatment by primary care physicians, at
all Catholic Health facilities.  In an
article on which Catholic Health relied, a BCBS spokesperson is quoted as
saying that that Senior Blue HMO Select would cover medical care at all major
medical facilities in Western New York with one exception: “Buffalo General,
Roswell, ECMC, and Gates Vascular Institute, among others, but it does not
include the Catholic Health System. So they are specifically excluded? On that
option only. We have 6 other options that offer a full network.”  Catholic Health also relied on plan materials
distributed by BCBS.  None of these were
incorporated into the complaint, so the court converted the motion to dismiss
into a motion for summary judgment and invited further briefing.  The court cautioned: “even if the short
statements in the BCBS publicity materials are found to inaccurately reflect
the true scope of Senior Blue HMO Select, it is unclear how BCBS can press a
viable claim for false or misleading advertising against Catholic Health for
using the same language BCBS used in its own materials. Instead, pursuing false
advertising or deceptive act claims based on statements repeated from BCBS’s
own promotional materials, particularly materials directed at medical providers
such as Catholic Health, is arguably frivolous.”
 
As for defamation, the claim was actually for product
disparagement, because the challenged statements were about the scope of BCBS
services, not about whether BCBS was “anti-Catholic” as BCBS tried to
argue.  BCBS was therefore required to
plead and prove special damages, setting forth “an itemized account of her
losses; round figures or a general allegation of a dollar amount as special
damages will not suffice.” This it did not do.

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Don’t send misappropriation to do copyright’s job

Alaskasland.com, LLC v. Cross, No. S­15270 (Alaska Sept. 25,
2015)
 
A realtor group listed property adjacent to a neighboring
subdivision, Susitna Shores, using three photos taken from the subdivision’s
marketing materials, including one showing the subdivision’s stylized entrance
sign.  The listing also contained a
property appraisal stating that (1) based on plat­related information, existing
legal access to the property might compromise the neighboring subdivision’s
gated community perimeter fencing, and (2) based on statements made to the
appraiser by employees of the local electric association, the neighboring subdivision’s
electric service might be subject to legal issues. The subdivision’s developer sued
for misappropriation of the photos, trade name infringement, and defamation.
The superior court granted summary judgment to the realtors, and the state
supreme court affirmed.
 
Of Susitna Shores’ 37 lots, 15 had been sold by the time the
superior court granted summary judgment in July 2013; the most recent sale was
in May 2011.  In 2009, a couple, the
Goodes, inherited property bounded on three sides by the subdivision and on the
fourth by the Susitna River.  Alaskasland
had unsuccessfully offered the previous owner $45,000 for it in 2007.  An appraiser appraised it at $150,000 and
noted that “[t]he electric service in the [Susitna Shores]  subdivision may be subject to legal issues due
to the lack of [Matanuska Electric Association] participation in construction
of the infrastructure.”  In addition, he
wrote, “the [Goode property] has an undeniable access right that crosses the
access to [the Susitna Shores] subdivision boat ramp — and that access could be
developed and probably left open, thereby defeating the gated subdivision.”
 
In August 2011, the Goodes listed their property for sale
with realtor Kevin Cross for $146,000. 
The Goodes didn’t provide any photos, so Cross’s assistant used photos
from the internet, specifically from Alaskasland’s website.  The appraisal was appended to the property
listing on a realtor-only website.  When
Alaskasland discovered that the Alaskasland photos were being used this way, it
promptly notified the multiple listing service of the improper use, and
contacted Cross about buying the Goode property.  Alaskasland’s GM offered to buy the Goode
property for $95,000, which offer the Goodes promptly rejected.  The Goodes cancelled their listing in
mid-December 2011; the appraisal remained on the MLS site until May 2013.  Shortly after Alaskasland sued, its GM
reached an agreement with the Goodes to purchase their property for $155,000.
 
Misappropriation claims based on copying the photos were
preempted by the Copyright Act. The photos were within the subject matter of
copyright, and there was no extra element distinguishing the misappropriation
claim from a copying claim.  Alaskasland
argued that there was an unauthorized use of its goodwill and reputation, but
that’s just a passing off claim (see below). 
It also argued that creating the sign in the picture took $40,000 and
that defendants engaged in free riding on its extensive advertising and
marketing efforts.  “But the
misappropriation of ‘sweat equity’ expended in the creation and advertisement
of a copyrightable work is ‘precisely the type of misconduct the copyright laws
are designed to guard against.’”
 
The superior court rejected passing off/trademark
infringement claims because “Susitna Shores” was geographically descriptive, and
Alaskasland’s failure to sell at least half its lots — and none in the prior
two years — “evidenced that its marketing efforts had failed to produce a
secondary meaning in the minds of the public.” 
The state supreme court wasn’t even sure Alaska recognized the common
law tort of passing off, but that didn’t matter because Alaskasland couldn’t
show damages.  The only relevant sale
here was Alaskasland’s own purchase of the property.  There was no evidence anyone was deceived,
and Alaskasland certainly knew that what it was buying wasn’t part of its
subdivision.  Even if dozens of people
viewed the Goode listing online, there was no injury shown from those viewings,
nor any indication that anyone who saw the photos expressed interest in the
Goode property or lost interest in Susitna Shores as a result. 
 
One of Alaskasland’s expert reports on damages assumed lost
licensing fees and lost advertising value, preempted theories.  A reasonable royalty measure of damages was
also inappropriate for passing off, as opposed to patent or trade secret; the
concrete sign that was allegedly appropriated was visible to anyone who went
by, and the calculation of a royalty didn’t itself show that an injury had
occurred.  Another expert claimed that
the photos and similar keywords diluted Susitna Shores’ online marketing
efforts—maybe this was a viable theory, the court said (ugh), but there was no
genuine issue of fact on this record that it had been harmed thereby.
 
Anyway, the standard remedy for infringement is an
injunction, and the injunction claim here was moot.
 
Finally, the statements in the appraisal were non-defamatory
opinions.  Alaskasland argued that the
statement about possible legal issues with electricity was defamatory because
the local government had actually accepted Susitna Shores’ electric service, so
it could not therefore be subject to “legal issues.”  Likewise, the claim that the Goode access
right could be developed and left open, defeating the gated part of “gated
subdivision,” was allegedly defamatory because “no matter how the Goode
Property was developed, Susitna Shores could always maintain the security of
its gated community and road.”
 
However, the type of language used indicated that the
appraiser’s conclusions were opinions. 
The electricity statement was made in the context of interviews with the
local government’s “staff,” but made clear that the appraiser only spoke to a
few people and didn’t find out all the possibly available information, e.g., “[t]he
exact nature of the difficulty, if any, was not disclosed by the staff member
interviewed.”  The phrase “may be subject
to legal issues” connoted the appraiser’s uncertainty.  Likewise, the gated security statement used
the cautionary and speculative terms “could be” and “probably.”
 
Context also confirmed that the statements were opinions: by
statutory definition, an appraisal is an opinion.  Furthermore, the appraisal was intended to
establish the value of the Goode property, and not intended to be read by
prospective purchasers of Susitna Shores’ lots. (Which also suggests that there’s
less need for reliance on statements about that property.)
 
Likewise, reference to possible future events signaled
unverifiable future opinion, not currently verifiable fact.  And, considering the broader social circumstances,
classification as opinion was appropriate, because appraisers serve an
important social function by clarifying the value of real estate; they should
therefore be free to express complete and candid opinions.  There are other safeguards against negligent
or incompetent appraisers, “and we decline here to invent a sweeping rule
making real estate agents vicariously liable for the alleged misdeeds of
appraisers upon whose appraisals these agents rely for their livelihoods.”
 
Finally, the opinions here didn’t imply the existence of
undisclosed defamatory facts supporting them. 
Instead, the appraiser revealed the underlying facts on which his opinion
relied.

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